Discussion:
Aliens in the Bible
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Andrew W
2023-08-04 01:07:26 UTC
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Angels (sons of God) don't need to reproduce.
These were humanoid. Their craft were made of metal and emitted fire and
bright lights. They were extraterrestrials.


Genesis 6
2 the sons of God saw that the daughters of humans were beautiful, and they
married any of them they chose.
4 The Nephilim were on the earth in those days—and also afterward—when the
sons of God went to the daughters of humans and had children by them.

Ezekiel 1
4 I looked, and I saw a windstorm coming out of the north—an immense cloud
with flashing lightning and surrounded by brilliant light. The center of the
fire looked like glowing metal,
5 and in the fire was what looked like four living creatures. In appearance
their form was human,
7 Their legs were straight; their feet were like those of a calf and gleamed
like burnished bronze.
22 Spread out above the heads of the living creatures was what looked
something like a vault, sparkling like crystal, and awesome.
26 Above the vault over their heads was what looked like a throne of lapis
lazuli, and high above on the throne was a figure like that of a man.
27 I saw that from what appeared to be his waist up he looked like glowing
metal, as if full of fire, and that from there down he looked like fire; and
brilliant light surrounded him.

Isaiah 13
5 They come from faraway lands, from the ends of the heavens— the LORD and
the weapons of his wrath— to destroy the whole country.
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Steve Hayes
2023-08-12 07:49:58 UTC
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Post by Andrew W
Angels (sons of God) don't need to reproduce.
These were humanoid. Their craft were made of metal and emitted fire and
bright lights. They were extraterrestrials.
In the Bible, aliens were to be treated justly and fairly.

Ezekiel 22:7
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teslaStinker
2023-08-14 21:35:42 UTC
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It's not aliens, your book is corrupt. It does not say metal,
not to mention the rest of the wrong things your book
says???
--
Daniel
Andrew W
2023-08-16 05:43:46 UTC
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Post by teslaStinker
On Fri, 4 Aug 2023 11:07:26 +1000, "Andrew W"
reproduce.>These were humanoid. Their craft were made of metal and
emitted fire and>bright lights. They were extraterrestrials.In the Bible,
aliens were to be treated justly and fairly. Ezekiel 22:7-- Steve Hayes
http://www.khanya.org.za/stevesig.htmBlog: http://khanya.wordpress.comFor
information about why crossposting is (usually) good, and multiposting
(nearly always) bad, see:http://oakroadsystems.com/genl/unice.htm#xpost
It's not aliens, your book is corrupt. It does not say metal,
not to mention the rest of the wrong things your book
says???
But the version you chose just happens to be perfect somehow? Maybe you are
in denial.
--
Government is the problem. ~ Ronald Reagan

Woke: One who becomes awake to societal wrongs but blames all the wrong
things and people.

http://www.rumormillnews.com -- The best alternative news site
tesla sTinker
2023-08-20 20:10:36 UTC
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Post by Andrew W
On Fri, 4 Aug 2023 11:07:26 +1000, "Andrew W"
reproduce.>These were humanoid. Their craft were made of metal and
emitted fire and>bright lights. They were extraterrestrials.In the
Bible, aliens were to be treated justly and fairly. Ezekiel 22:7--
http://khanya.wordpress.comFor information about why crossposting is
(usually) good, and multiposting (nearly always) bad,
see:http://oakroadsystems.com/genl/unice.htm#xpost
It's not aliens, your book is corrupt. It does not say metal,
not to mention the rest of the wrong things your book
says???
But the version you chose just happens to be perfect somehow? Maybe you
are in denial.
no, im not. denial is when you found out you listened to a wrong
version, and then still say its still correct. that would be like you
are doing. As far as to perfect, you would be surprised how many
interpretaion's you have wrong, just because of your own culture wars.
Andrew W
2023-08-20 22:37:47 UTC
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Post by Andrew W
On Fri, 4 Aug 2023 11:07:26 +1000, "Andrew W"
reproduce.>These were humanoid. Their craft were made of metal and
emitted fire and>bright lights. They were extraterrestrials.In the
Bible, aliens were to be treated justly and fairly. Ezekiel 22:7--
http://khanya.wordpress.comFor information about why crossposting is
(usually) good, and multiposting (nearly always) bad,
see:http://oakroadsystems.com/genl/unice.htm#xpost
It's not aliens, your book is corrupt. It does not say metal,
not to mention the rest of the wrong things your book
says???
But the version you chose just happens to be perfect somehow? Maybe you
are in denial.
no, im not. denial is when you found out you listened to a wrong version,
and then still say its still correct.
That's what most Bible believers do. I'm not just a Bible believer.
that would be like you are doing.
How do you know?
As far as to perfect, you would be surprised how many interpretaion's you
have wrong, just because of your own culture wars.
How do you know?
--
Government is the problem. ~ Ronald Reagan

Woke: One who becomes awake to societal wrongs but blames all the wrong
things and people.

http://www.rumormillnews.com -- The best alternative news site
teslaStinker
2023-08-25 16:58:24 UTC
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Post by Andrew W
Post by Andrew W
On Fri, 4 Aug 2023 11:07:26 +1000, "Andrew W"
reproduce.>These were humanoid. Their craft were made of metal and
emitted fire and>bright lights. They were extraterrestrials.In the
Bible, aliens were to be treated justly and fairly. Ezekiel 22:7--
http://khanya.wordpress.comFor information about why crossposting is
(usually) good, and multiposting (nearly always) bad,
see:http://oakroadsystems.com/genl/unice.htm#xpost
It's not aliens, your book is corrupt. It does not say metal,
not to mention the rest of the wrong things your book
says???
But the version you chose just happens to be perfect somehow? Maybe you
are in denial.
no, im not. denial is when you found out you listened to a wrong
version, and then still say its still correct.
That's what most Bible believers do. I'm not just a Bible believer.
that would be like you are doing.
How do you know?
As far as to perfect, you would be surprised how many interpretaion's
you have wrong, just because of your own culture wars.
How do you know?
old books speaking on the scrolls. Do you think everything is only in
this country? Written in english? Do you think the world would mass
translate and produce the douay rheims version into many different type
languages all across the world if it were not the original Scrolls?
Grant their may be a mistake, and in some cases, they never corrected
the mistakes, on purpose because they were original mistakes, which you
can find proof of that yes, if you look at a king james version and see
the different numbers on the psalms, of David, our version never
coincides in the verse numbers with king james version or any new
version because they did never change it but left it alone, because it
was original an they never change those things in the catholic church
because the Bible says not to do so. Unlike protestants, they change
everything ignoring what the true Bible says.
No one
2023-08-25 17:53:37 UTC
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Post by Andrew W
Post by Andrew W
On Fri, 4 Aug 2023 11:07:26 +1000, "Andrew W"
reproduce.>These were humanoid. Their craft were made of metal and
emitted fire and>bright lights. They were extraterrestrials.In the
Bible, aliens were to be treated justly and fairly. Ezekiel 22:7--
http://khanya.wordpress.comFor information about why crossposting is
(usually) good, and multiposting (nearly always) bad,
see:http://oakroadsystems.com/genl/unice.htm#xpost
It's not aliens, your book is corrupt. It does not say metal,
not to mention the rest of the wrong things your book
says???
But the version you chose just happens to be perfect somehow? Maybe you
are in denial.
no, im not. denial is when you found out you listened to a wrong
version, and then still say its still correct.
That's what most Bible believers do. I'm not just a Bible believer.
that would be like you are doing.
How do you know?
As far as to perfect, you would be surprised how many interpretaion's
you have wrong, just because of your own culture wars.
How do you know?
old books speaking on the scrolls. Do you think everything is only in
this country? Written in english? Do you think the world would mass
translate and produce the douay rheims version into many different type
languages all across the world if it were not the original Scrolls?
Grant their may be a mistake, and in some cases, they never corrected
the mistakes, on purpose because they were original mistakes, which you
can find proof of that yes, if you look at a king james version and see
the different numbers on the psalms, of David, our version never
coincides in the verse numbers with king james version or any new
version because they did never change it but left it alone, because it
was original an they never change those things in the catholic church
because the Bible says not to do so. Unlike protestants, they change
everything ignoring what the true Bible says.
That is pure ignorance.

None of the scriptures, old or new, were written with verse numbers in mind.
They were non-existent. Neither was there chapters.
Andrew W
2023-08-25 23:30:21 UTC
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Post by Andrew W
Post by Andrew W
On Fri, 4 Aug 2023 11:07:26 +1000, "Andrew W"
reproduce.>These were humanoid. Their craft were made of metal and
emitted fire and>bright lights. They were extraterrestrials.In the
Bible, aliens were to be treated justly and fairly. Ezekiel 22:7--
http://khanya.wordpress.comFor information about why crossposting is
(usually) good, and multiposting (nearly always) bad,
see:http://oakroadsystems.com/genl/unice.htm#xpost
It's not aliens, your book is corrupt. It does not say metal,
not to mention the rest of the wrong things your book
says???
But the version you chose just happens to be perfect somehow? Maybe you
are in denial.
no, im not. denial is when you found out you listened to a wrong
version, and then still say its still correct.
That's what most Bible believers do. I'm not just a Bible believer.
that would be like you are doing.
How do you know?
As far as to perfect, you would be surprised how many interpretaion's
you have wrong, just because of your own culture wars.
How do you know?
old books speaking on the scrolls. Do you think everything is only in this
country? Written in english? Do you think the world would mass
translate and produce the douay rheims version into many different type
languages all across the world if it were not the original Scrolls?
Do you think the authorities that possess the scrolls are telling us
everything that's in the scrolls?
No they are suppressing truths that don't line up with religious narratives
and traditions. They would never tell the common majority things that would
empower us about true human and ET history.
Grant their may be a mistake, and in some cases, they never corrected the
mistakes, on purpose because they were original mistakes, which you can
find proof of that yes, if you look at a king james version and see the
different numbers on the psalms, of David, our version never coincides in
the verse numbers with king james version or any new version because they
did never change it but left it alone, because it was original an they
never change those things in the catholic church because the Bible says not
to do so. Unlike protestants, they change everything ignoring what the
true Bible says.
You, like others have put too much faith in the goodness of religious and
government authorities. They are not interested in informing the masses
about real truths. That would rob them of power and control.
--
Government is the problem. ~ Ronald Reagan

Woke: One who becomes awake to societal wrongs but blames all the wrong
things and people.

http://www.rumormillnews.com -- The best alternative news site
No one
2023-08-25 23:53:26 UTC
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Post by Andrew W
Post by Andrew W
Post by Andrew W
On Fri, 4 Aug 2023 11:07:26 +1000, "Andrew W"
reproduce.>These were humanoid. Their craft were made of metal and
emitted fire and>bright lights. They were extraterrestrials.In the
Bible, aliens were to be treated justly and fairly. Ezekiel 22:7--
http://khanya.wordpress.comFor information about why crossposting is
(usually) good, and multiposting (nearly always) bad,
see:http://oakroadsystems.com/genl/unice.htm#xpost
It's not aliens, your book is corrupt. It does not say metal,
not to mention the rest of the wrong things your book
says???
But the version you chose just happens to be perfect somehow? Maybe you
are in denial.
no, im not. denial is when you found out you listened to a wrong
version, and then still say its still correct.
That's what most Bible believers do. I'm not just a Bible believer.
that would be like you are doing.
How do you know?
As far as to perfect, you would be surprised how many interpretaion's
you have wrong, just because of your own culture wars.
How do you know?
old books speaking on the scrolls. Do you think everything is only in this
country? Written in english? Do you think the world would mass
translate and produce the douay rheims version into many different type
languages all across the world if it were not the original Scrolls?
Do you think the authorities that possess the scrolls are telling us
everything that's in the scrolls?
No they are suppressing truths that don't line up with religious narratives
and traditions. They would never tell the common majority things that would
empower us about true human and ET history.
What authorities? Those who found them?

And what about the recent finds of other older material?
Post by Andrew W
Grant their may be a mistake, and in some cases, they never corrected the
mistakes, on purpose because they were original mistakes, which you can
find proof of that yes, if you look at a king james version and see the
different numbers on the psalms, of David, our version never coincides in
the verse numbers with king james version or any new version because they
did never change it but left it alone, because it was original an they
never change those things in the catholic church because the Bible says not
to do so. Unlike protestants, they change everything ignoring what the
true Bible says.
You, like others have put too much faith in the goodness of religious and
government authorities. They are not interested in informing the masses
about real truths. That would rob them of power and control.
No, My Faith is in Jesus Christ and His Heavenly Father. Like many other
believers the Lord leads me into all truth. He confirms what I read in my
heart and even gives me greater understandings than what is presented. You
see, God, really does care about the individual who whole heartedly seeks Him
and He will answer their prayers. Those that try and play him for a sucker he
does not hear.
tesla sTinker ofm minim
2023-09-12 04:38:20 UTC
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Post by No one
Post by Andrew W
Post by Andrew W
Post by Andrew W
On Fri, 4 Aug 2023 11:07:26 +1000, "Andrew W"
reproduce.>These were humanoid. Their craft were made of metal and
emitted fire and>bright lights. They were extraterrestrials.In the
Bible, aliens were to be treated justly and fairly. Ezekiel 22:7--
http://khanya.wordpress.comFor information about why crossposting is
(usually) good, and multiposting (nearly always) bad,
see:http://oakroadsystems.com/genl/unice.htm#xpost
It's not aliens, your book is corrupt. It does not say metal,
not to mention the rest of the wrong things your book
says???
But the version you chose just happens to be perfect somehow? Maybe you
are in denial.
no, im not. denial is when you found out you listened to a wrong
version, and then still say its still correct.
That's what most Bible believers do. I'm not just a Bible believer.
that would be like you are doing.
How do you know?
As far as to perfect, you would be surprised how many interpretaion's
you have wrong, just because of your own culture wars.
How do you know?
old books speaking on the scrolls. Do you think everything is only in this
country? Written in english? Do you think the world would mass
translate and produce the douay rheims version into many different type
languages all across the world if it were not the original Scrolls?
Do you think the authorities that possess the scrolls are telling us
everything that's in the scrolls?
No they are suppressing truths that don't line up with religious narratives
and traditions. They would never tell the common majority things that would
empower us about true human and ET history.
What authorities? Those who found them?
And what about the recent finds of other older material?
Post by Andrew W
Grant their may be a mistake, and in some cases, they never corrected the
mistakes, on purpose because they were original mistakes, which you can
find proof of that yes, if you look at a king james version and see the
different numbers on the psalms, of David, our version never coincides in
the verse numbers with king james version or any new version because they
did never change it but left it alone, because it was original an they
never change those things in the catholic church because the Bible says not
to do so. Unlike protestants, they change everything ignoring what the
true Bible says.
You, like others have put too much faith in the goodness of religious and
government authorities. They are not interested in informing the masses
about real truths. That would rob them of power and control.
No, My Faith is in Jesus Christ and His Heavenly Father. Like many other
believers the Lord leads me into all truth. He confirms what I read in my
heart and even gives me greater understandings than what is presented. You
see, God, really does care about the individual who whole heartedly seeks Him
and He will answer their prayers. Those that try and play him for a sucker he
does not hear.
your a liar, and so are most of you
Rod
2023-08-24 13:48:35 UTC
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Post by teslaStinker
It's not aliens, your book is corrupt. It does not say metal,
not to mention the rest of the wrong things your book
says???
Shutup about your bible already! I'd wager that it is no more accurate
than many other bibles.

If you are not native to the Hebrew language then something is always
lost in translation.
teslaStinker
2023-08-25 17:04:17 UTC
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Post by Rod
On Fri, 4 Aug 2023 11:07:26 +1000, "Andrew W"
reproduce.>These were humanoid. Their craft were made of metal and
emitted fire and>bright lights. They were extraterrestrials.In the
Bible, aliens were to be treated justly and fairly. Ezekiel 22:7--
http://khanya.wordpress.comFor information about why crossposting is
(usually) good, and multiposting (nearly always) bad,
see:http://oakroadsystems.com/genl/unice.htm#xpost
It's not aliens, your book is corrupt. It does not say metal,
not to mention the rest of the wrong things your book
says???
Shutup about your bible already! I'd wager that it is no more accurate
than many other bibles.
If you are not native to the Hebrew language then something is always
lost in translation.
somewhat, if your not professional in Hebrew as Saint Jerome was. He
knew several languages very well. Is translation to latin was the best
language to translate several differ languages into the one, as a
conversion technique. He had to choose one, But as in all dictionarys,
words change, because people change them. IT does not make it correct
when this happens, and that is why the New Douay Rheims version that the
Vatican II has published of NOVUS ORDO, is totaly forbidden by the true
catholic church, and we do not give a dam what they claim about it, or
us doing so.
No one
2023-08-25 18:01:27 UTC
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Post by teslaStinker
Post by Rod
On Fri, 4 Aug 2023 11:07:26 +1000, "Andrew W"
reproduce.>These were humanoid. Their craft were made of metal and
emitted fire and>bright lights. They were extraterrestrials.In the
Bible, aliens were to be treated justly and fairly. Ezekiel 22:7--
http://khanya.wordpress.comFor information about why crossposting is
(usually) good, and multiposting (nearly always) bad,
see:http://oakroadsystems.com/genl/unice.htm#xpost
It's not aliens, your book is corrupt. It does not say metal,
not to mention the rest of the wrong things your book
says???
Shutup about your bible already! I'd wager that it is no more accurate
than many other bibles.
If you are not native to the Hebrew language then something is always
lost in translation.
somewhat, if your not professional in Hebrew as Saint Jerome was.
He knew how to translate words in a limited sense, But it was a dead language
ATT
Post by teslaStinker
He
knew several languages very well. Is translation to latin was the best
language to translate several differ languages into the one, as a
conversion technique. He had to choose one,
However, he did not know English, nor did he write the translation you use.
The monks of his day pointed out the errors and disagreements with his
writings. They were ashamed of his drinking skills as well as living with two
women, neither of whom were related to him.

That he was educated is true. Yet he was always in conflict with those in the
RCC.
Post by teslaStinker
But as in all dictionarys,
words change, because people change them. IT does not make it correct
when this happens, and that is why the New Douay Rheims version that the
Vatican II has published of NOVUS ORDO, is totaly forbidden by the true
catholic church, and we do not give a dam what they claim about it, or
us doing so.
Anyone who prays to Mary is not of God. There is only one way, one path to
the Heavenly Father.
teslaStinker
2023-08-25 18:16:29 UTC
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Post by No one
Post by teslaStinker
Post by Rod
On Fri, 4 Aug 2023 11:07:26 +1000, "Andrew W"
reproduce.>These were humanoid. Their craft were made of metal and
emitted fire and>bright lights. They were extraterrestrials.In the
Bible, aliens were to be treated justly and fairly. Ezekiel 22:7--
http://khanya.wordpress.comFor information about why crossposting is
(usually) good, and multiposting (nearly always) bad,
see:http://oakroadsystems.com/genl/unice.htm#xpost
It's not aliens, your book is corrupt. It does not say metal,
not to mention the rest of the wrong things your book
says???
Shutup about your bible already! I'd wager that it is no more accurate
than many other bibles.
If you are not native to the Hebrew language then something is always
lost in translation.
somewhat, if your not professional in Hebrew as Saint Jerome was.
He knew how to translate words in a limited sense, But it was a dead language
ATT
Post by teslaStinker
He
knew several languages very well. Is translation to latin was the best
language to translate several differ languages into the one, as a
conversion technique. He had to choose one,
However, he did not know English, nor did he write the translation you use.
The monks of his day pointed out the errors and disagreements with his
writings. They were ashamed of his drinking skills as well as living with two
women, neither of whom were related to him.
That he was educated is true. Yet he was always in conflict with those in the
RCC.
Post by teslaStinker
But as in all dictionarys,
words change, because people change them. IT does not make it correct
when this happens, and that is why the New Douay Rheims version that the
Vatican II has published of NOVUS ORDO, is totaly forbidden by the true
catholic church, and we do not give a dam what they claim about it, or
us doing so.
Anyone who prays to Mary is not of God. There is only one way, one path to
the Heavenly Father.
for a no one, you sure know nothing about God's Bible. and His People.
Maybe you should listen and keep your big mouth shut idiot
Andrew W
2023-08-25 23:41:16 UTC
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Post by No one
Post by teslaStinker
Post by Rod
On Fri, 4 Aug 2023 11:07:26 +1000, "Andrew W"
reproduce.>These were humanoid. Their craft were made of metal and
emitted fire and>bright lights. They were extraterrestrials.In the
Bible, aliens were to be treated justly and fairly. Ezekiel 22:7--
http://khanya.wordpress.comFor information about why crossposting is
(usually) good, and multiposting (nearly always) bad,
see:http://oakroadsystems.com/genl/unice.htm#xpost
It's not aliens, your book is corrupt. It does not say metal,
not to mention the rest of the wrong things your book
says???
Shutup about your bible already! I'd wager that it is no more accurate
than many other bibles.
If you are not native to the Hebrew language then something is always
lost in translation.
somewhat, if your not professional in Hebrew as Saint Jerome was.
He knew how to translate words in a limited sense, But it was a dead language
ATT
Post by teslaStinker
He
knew several languages very well. Is translation to latin was the best
language to translate several differ languages into the one, as a
conversion technique. He had to choose one,
However, he did not know English, nor did he write the translation you use.
The monks of his day pointed out the errors and disagreements with his
writings. They were ashamed of his drinking skills as well as living with two
women, neither of whom were related to him.
That he was educated is true. Yet he was always in conflict with those in the
RCC.
Post by teslaStinker
But as in all dictionarys,
words change, because people change them. IT does not make it correct
when this happens, and that is why the New Douay Rheims version that the
Vatican II has published of NOVUS ORDO, is totaly forbidden by the true
catholic church, and we do not give a dam what they claim about it, or
us doing so.
Anyone who prays to Mary is not of God. There is only one way, one path to
the Heavenly Father.
If the "Heavenly Father" wasn't so jealous and vengeful and capricious then
people wouldn't need to turn to a motherly figure.
Why does Protestantism damn motherly figures? Do you snub your mother?
Protestantism has gone a bit crazy with patriarchy.
--
Government is the problem. ~ Ronald Reagan

Woke: One who becomes awake to societal wrongs but blames all the wrong
things and people.

http://www.rumormillnews.com -- The best alternative news site
No one
2023-08-25 23:59:04 UTC
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Post by Andrew W
Post by No one
Post by teslaStinker
Post by Rod
On Fri, 4 Aug 2023 11:07:26 +1000, "Andrew W"
reproduce.>These were humanoid. Their craft were made of metal and
emitted fire and>bright lights. They were extraterrestrials.In the
Bible, aliens were to be treated justly and fairly. Ezekiel 22:7--
http://khanya.wordpress.comFor information about why crossposting is
(usually) good, and multiposting (nearly always) bad,
see:http://oakroadsystems.com/genl/unice.htm#xpost
It's not aliens, your book is corrupt. It does not say metal,
not to mention the rest of the wrong things your book
says???
Shutup about your bible already! I'd wager that it is no more accurate
than many other bibles.
If you are not native to the Hebrew language then something is always
lost in translation.
somewhat, if your not professional in Hebrew as Saint Jerome was.
He knew how to translate words in a limited sense, But it was a dead language
ATT
Post by teslaStinker
He
knew several languages very well. Is translation to latin was the best
language to translate several differ languages into the one, as a
conversion technique. He had to choose one,
However, he did not know English, nor did he write the translation you use.
The monks of his day pointed out the errors and disagreements with his
writings. They were ashamed of his drinking skills as well as living with two
women, neither of whom were related to him.
That he was educated is true. Yet he was always in conflict with those in the
RCC.
Post by teslaStinker
But as in all dictionarys,
words change, because people change them. IT does not make it correct
when this happens, and that is why the New Douay Rheims version that the
Vatican II has published of NOVUS ORDO, is totaly forbidden by the true
catholic church, and we do not give a dam what they claim about it, or
us doing so.
Anyone who prays to Mary is not of God. There is only one way, one path to
the Heavenly Father.
If the "Heavenly Father" wasn't so jealous and vengeful and capricious then
people wouldn't need to turn to a motherly figure.
That statement shows you have no respect/fear of God. Those, like you will
turn to a goddess like momma's boys. Yet that is all one huge FAIL.
Post by Andrew W
Why does Protestantism damn motherly figures? Do you snub your mother?
Protestantism has gone a bit crazy with patriarchy.
I am not a protestant. That is a derogatory comment started by the RCC. I am
also not a member of any "reformed church". But we should all be thankful for
them breaking away from the RCC Cult.
Phootlonge Jizzywinkus
2023-08-26 02:15:44 UTC
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On Sat, 26 Aug 2023 09:41:16 +1000
"Andrew W" <***@defense.com> wrote:

<snip sniveling drivel>
Post by Andrew W
If the "Heavenly Father" wasn't so jealous and vengeful and
capricious then people wouldn't need to turn to a motherly figure.
Why does Protestantism damn motherly figures? Do you snub your
mother? Protestantism has gone a bit crazy with patriarchy.
Hya twinkle-toes!

Slurp my fart slop.

Pucker my pecker!

While you're at it, tug my jizzywinkus!

You fagnostic gaytheist fart slopper, you!
Rod
2023-09-08 22:13:25 UTC
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Post by Andrew W
Post by No one
Post by Rod
On Fri, 4 Aug 2023 11:07:26 +1000, "Andrew W"
reproduce.>These were humanoid. Their craft were made of metal and
emitted fire and>bright lights. They were extraterrestrials.In the
Bible, aliens were to be treated justly and fairly. Ezekiel 22:7--
http://khanya.wordpress.comFor information about why
crossposting > > > is
Post by Rod
(usually) good, and multiposting (nearly always) bad,
see:http://oakroadsystems.com/genl/unice.htm#xpost
It's not aliens, your book is corrupt. It does not say metal,
not to mention the rest of the wrong things your book
says???
Shutup about your bible already! I'd wager that it is no more accurate
than many other bibles.
If you are not native to the Hebrew language then something is always
lost in translation.
somewhat, if your not professional in Hebrew as Saint Jerome was.
He knew how to translate words in a limited sense, But it was a dead language
ATT
He
knew several languages very well. Is translation to latin was the best
language to translate several differ languages into the one, as a
conversion technique. He had to choose one,
However, he did not know English, nor did he write the translation you use.
The monks of his day pointed out the errors and disagreements with his
writings. They were ashamed of his drinking skills as well as living with two
women, neither of whom were related to him.
That he was educated is true. Yet he was always in conflict with those in the
RCC.
But as in all dictionarys,
words change, because people change them. IT does not make it correct
when this happens, and that is why the New Douay Rheims version that the
Vatican II has published of NOVUS ORDO, is totaly forbidden by the true
catholic church, and we do not give a dam what they claim about it, or
us doing so.
Anyone who prays to Mary is not of God. There is only one way, one path to
the Heavenly Father.
If the "Heavenly Father" wasn't so jealous and vengeful and capricious
then people wouldn't need to turn to a motherly figure.
Why does Protestantism damn motherly figures? Do you snub your mother?
Protestantism has gone a bit crazy with patriarchy.
Christianity is a polytheistic religion. It changed from monotheism
to polytheism after Eusebius forged that phrase about Christ being
more than a man.

The religion has been thru a great many changes. It began as worship
of the Universe as the Creator while the Anakim, Nephalim and Rephaim
were still on the earth and as time move along it gathered up the
elements of star worship in Mesopotamia, took on elements of Pharoh
worship because of Osirus in Egypt to morph into Atun worship(The Sun)
to morph yet again into monotheism as it made it's way out of Egypt
and into Canaan to finally morph into the Mithra duplicate that we have
had since the birth of Christ and the 3 headed God.

It will change again, there beliefs seem to shift when a new idea
comes along disguised as a revelation from God.
Michael Christ
2023-09-08 23:11:16 UTC
Permalink
Post by Andrew W
Post by No one
Post by Rod
On Fri, 4 Aug 2023 11:07:26 +1000, "Andrew W"
reproduce.>These were humanoid. Their craft were made of metal
and
Post by Rod
emitted fire and>bright lights. They were extraterrestrials.In
the
Post by Rod
Bible, aliens were to be treated justly and fairly. Ezekiel
22:7--
Post by Rod
http://khanya.wordpress.comFor information about why
crossposting > > > is
Post by Rod
(usually) good, and multiposting (nearly always) bad,
see:http://oakroadsystems.com/genl/unice.htm#xpost
It's not aliens, your book is corrupt. It does not say metal,
not to mention the rest of the wrong things your book
says???
Shutup about your bible already! I'd wager that it is no more
accurate
Post by Rod
than many other bibles.
If you are not native to the Hebrew language then something is always
lost in translation.
somewhat, if your not professional in Hebrew as Saint Jerome was.
He knew how to translate words in a limited sense, But it was a dead language
ATT
He
knew several languages very well. Is translation to latin was the best
language to translate several differ languages into the one, as a
conversion technique. He had to choose one,
However, he did not know English, nor did he write the translation you use.
The monks of his day pointed out the errors and disagreements with his
writings. They were ashamed of his drinking skills as well as living with two
women, neither of whom were related to him.
That he was educated is true. Yet he was always in conflict with those in the
RCC.
But as in all dictionarys,
words change, because people change them. IT does not make it correct
when this happens, and that is why the New Douay Rheims version that the
Vatican II has published of NOVUS ORDO, is totaly forbidden by the true
catholic church, and we do not give a dam what they claim about it, or
us doing so.
Anyone who prays to Mary is not of God. There is only one way, one path to
the Heavenly Father.
If the "Heavenly Father" wasn't so jealous and vengeful and capricious
then people wouldn't need to turn to a motherly figure.
Why does Protestantism damn motherly figures? Do you snub your mother?
Protestantism has gone a bit crazy with patriarchy.
   Christianity is a polytheistic religion. It changed from monotheism
   to polytheism after Eusebius forged that phrase about Christ being
   more than a man.
   The religion has been thru a great many changes. It began as worship
of the Universe as the Creator while the Anakim, Nephalim and Rephaim
were still on the earth and as time move along it gathered up the
elements of star worship in Mesopotamia, took on elements of Pharoh
worship because of Osirus in Egypt to morph into Atun worship(The Sun)
to morph yet again into monotheism as it made it's way out of Egypt
and into Canaan to finally morph into the Mithra duplicate that we have
had since the birth of Christ and the 3 headed God.
   It will change again, there beliefs seem to shift when a new idea
comes along disguised as a revelation from God.
You are speaking about the religion of man, Rod. Anyone can be right
about what is wrong.

However, God has never changed and will never change.




Michael Christ
--
Jesus is the everlasting Father, Jesus is God, Jesus is the Lord.

Rom 5:8 But God commendeth his love toward us, in that, while we were
YET sinners, Christ died for us.

Jeremiah 10:23 O LORD, I know that the way of man is not in himself: it
is not in man that walketh to direct his steps.

Psalms 53:1 The fool hath said in his heart, There is no God. Corrupt
are they, and have done abominable iniquity: there is none that doeth good.

Proverbs 12:15 The way of a fool is right in his own eyes: but he that
hearkeneth unto counsel is wise.

"To seek your own will is to seek your own glory."

"If God is not first in everything He is not first in anything."

"What makes the bible the truth? The resonance of God."

"All men were born sinners. Why? Because all men were born not loving
God with all their heart, soul, and mind. An abomination. Therefore,
sin is not what you do; it is what you are."

"Compromise will condemn you."

"There are no sinners in Christ Jesus."

"My sons are born of Me. In them is no darkness at all."

"You can't learn righteousness. Haven't you had enough time already to
know that?"

"The way of truth is the testimony of life."

"I merely speak the truth, what is revealed to me, and the cards fall
where God intends."

"Nothing that is produced is produced without first being faith."

"You can only find proof of God through faith because that is how we all
live, by faith."

"It is not what you do that matters, it is how you treat Me."

"Keep going forward. Forget about the past. Lift up your head, look
ahead."

"You cannot be free and free indeed with guilt in your heart."

"Priority is everything."

"The truth doesn't need evidence, it is evidence."

"There is no greater possession a man has than his own will, to squander
it or to place it where it truly belongs."

"An atheist is a fool who thinks truth is found in living a lie."

"Saying "prove it" [as a foundation] is merely an ignorant straw man, to
an ignorant straw man."

"Wait, rest, be still, and know."

"No man can wash his own hands!!!"

"I find this in the Christianity religions: 'Nobody's perfect' they say,
and they use that as an excuse not to do what is perfect."

The Atheist: "They don't believe and put their faith in a Creator (the
obvious). So no evidence and proof is to be found!!"

"The world is the way it is because God can't compromise who He is."

"Man is not the centre of being."

"Man is incompatible with the natural world because of his sinful nature."

"And then the Lord said, "I see everything."

"Man has no greater idol than his own will."

"Where is God hiding? He isn't."

"If you don't keep all the scriptures, you can't keep any of them."

"You can't prove anything because everything depends on a person's
willingness to believe."

"Atheists are ultimately trying to be pointlessness, meaninglessness,
and purposelessness in their point, meaning, and purpose."

"The last day of creation will be the last day of time. God is always
full of hope."

"The veil of the temple was rent in twain, not to have a book pass
through it so that you could play God."

"A phylactery does not a heart for God make. Not back then, and not today."

"No one in heaven is better (or higher) than what makes it heaven. Such
is the love of God."

"The definition of an atheist: A man full of bluster and bullshit
pretending he is the meaning of life."

"Free will is not power; it is the choice that I allow; that choice is
still according to my power," says the Lord.

What does a fool do? A fool looks for a "nothing" in a "something" in
order to explain the existence of existence.

"Unless you do all because He is who He is, all your religion is in vain."

"Every man is subject to God; He judges every man, and He is reality.
 What a gift in a fallen world!"

"Love MUST be a choice or it is nothing but a law!"

"Why were all men born sinners? So that God could reveal Himself, so
that we would behold the glory of God, and that we should bring forth
the glory of God"

"God does not and will not arbitrate for any man to love Him! If God
isn't everything to you, He is nothing to you where the rubber meets the
road."

"It is the unforgivable sin not to love God with all your heart, soul,
and mind, because what do you have that is lasting? It is not so much
being punished, it is what you are left with."

"Love isn't worth anything without first a free will choice for God to
birth it in a man."

"The point of salvation: desperation. Anything less than that is
self-righteousness."

"A sinner is not a believer in God, a sinner is a believer in sin."

"A piece of dirt is not the promised land; that is only a reflection.
The promised land is knowing Me, says the Lord."

"It is all about God or it is all about idolatry."

"The Lord Jesus is coming soon. He has always come soon."
No one
2023-09-08 23:34:22 UTC
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Post by Rod
Post by Andrew W
Post by No one
Post by Rod
On Fri, 4 Aug 2023 11:07:26 +1000, "Andrew W"
reproduce.>These were humanoid. Their craft were made of metal and
emitted fire and>bright lights. They were extraterrestrials.In the
Bible, aliens were to be treated justly and fairly. Ezekiel 22:7--
http://khanya.wordpress.comFor information about why
crossposting > > > is
Post by Rod
(usually) good, and multiposting (nearly always) bad,
see:http://oakroadsystems.com/genl/unice.htm#xpost
It's not aliens, your book is corrupt. It does not say metal,
not to mention the rest of the wrong things your book
says???
Shutup about your bible already! I'd wager that it is no more accurate
than many other bibles.
If you are not native to the Hebrew language then something is always
lost in translation.
somewhat, if your not professional in Hebrew as Saint Jerome was.
He knew how to translate words in a limited sense, But it was a dead language
ATT
He
knew several languages very well. Is translation to latin was the best
language to translate several differ languages into the one, as a
conversion technique. He had to choose one,
However, he did not know English, nor did he write the translation you use.
The monks of his day pointed out the errors and disagreements with his
writings. They were ashamed of his drinking skills as well as living with two
women, neither of whom were related to him.
That he was educated is true. Yet he was always in conflict with those in the
RCC.
But as in all dictionarys,
words change, because people change them. IT does not make it correct
when this happens, and that is why the New Douay Rheims version that the
Vatican II has published of NOVUS ORDO, is totaly forbidden by the true
catholic church, and we do not give a dam what they claim about it, or
us doing so.
Anyone who prays to Mary is not of God. There is only one way, one path to
the Heavenly Father.
If the "Heavenly Father" wasn't so jealous and vengeful and capricious
then people wouldn't need to turn to a motherly figure.
Why does Protestantism damn motherly figures? Do you snub your mother?
Protestantism has gone a bit crazy with patriarchy.
Christianity is a polytheistic religion. It changed from monotheism
to polytheism after Eusebius forged that phrase about Christ being
more than a man.
The religion has been thru a great many changes. It began as worship
of the Universe as the Creator while the Anakim, Nephalim and Rephaim
were still on the earth and as time move along it gathered up the
elements of star worship in Mesopotamia, took on elements of Pharoh
worship because of Osirus in Egypt to morph into Atun worship(The Sun)
to morph yet again into monotheism as it made it's way out of Egypt
and into Canaan to finally morph into the Mithra duplicate that we have
had since the birth of Christ and the 3 headed God.
It will change again, there beliefs seem to shift when a new idea
comes along disguised as a revelation from God.
Yet there is no mention of those things in the Bible as having to due with
mankind at any point of mans existence.

That the RCC absorbed Mithraism may be true, yet their belief system did not
infect the Scriptures.

A study of Isaiah foretells/confirms the Gospel Message of Christ.
Just a guy
2023-09-10 03:28:27 UTC
Permalink
Post by No one
Post by Rod
Post by Andrew W
Post by No one
Post by Rod
On Fri, 4 Aug 2023 11:07:26 +1000, "Andrew W"
reproduce.>These were humanoid. Their craft were made of metal and
emitted fire and>bright lights. They were extraterrestrials.In the
Bible, aliens were to be treated justly and fairly. Ezekiel 22:7--
http://khanya.wordpress.comFor information about why
crossposting > > > is
Post by Rod
(usually) good, and multiposting (nearly always) bad,
see:http://oakroadsystems.com/genl/unice.htm#xpost
It's not aliens, your book is corrupt. It does not say metal,
not to mention the rest of the wrong things your book
says???
Shutup about your bible already! I'd wager that it is no more accurate
than many other bibles.
If you are not native to the Hebrew language then something is always
lost in translation.
somewhat, if your not professional in Hebrew as Saint Jerome was.
He knew how to translate words in a limited sense, But it was a dead language
ATT
He
knew several languages very well. Is translation to latin was the best
language to translate several differ languages into the one, as a
conversion technique. He had to choose one,
However, he did not know English, nor did he write the translation you use.
The monks of his day pointed out the errors and disagreements with his
writings. They were ashamed of his drinking skills as well as living with two
women, neither of whom were related to him.
That he was educated is true. Yet he was always in conflict with those in the
RCC.
But as in all dictionarys,
words change, because people change them. IT does not make it correct
when this happens, and that is why the New Douay Rheims version that the
Vatican II has published of NOVUS ORDO, is totaly forbidden by the true
catholic church, and we do not give a dam what they claim about it, or
us doing so.
Anyone who prays to Mary is not of God. There is only one way, one path to
the Heavenly Father.
If the "Heavenly Father" wasn't so jealous and vengeful and capricious
then people wouldn't need to turn to a motherly figure.
Why does Protestantism damn motherly figures? Do you snub your mother?
Protestantism has gone a bit crazy with patriarchy.
Christianity is a polytheistic religion. It changed from monotheism
to polytheism after Eusebius forged that phrase about Christ being
more than a man.
The religion has been thru a great many changes. It began as worship
of the Universe as the Creator while the Anakim, Nephalim and Rephaim
were still on the earth and as time move along it gathered up the
elements of star worship in Mesopotamia, took on elements of Pharoh
worship because of Osirus in Egypt to morph into Atun worship(The Sun)
to morph yet again into monotheism as it made it's way out of Egypt
and into Canaan to finally morph into the Mithra duplicate that we have
had since the birth of Christ and the 3 headed God.
It will change again, there beliefs seem to shift when a new idea
comes along disguised as a revelation from God.
Yet there is no mention of those things in the Bible as having to due with
mankind at any point of mans existence.
That proves nothing. There are tons of things done by Christ that
didn't make it into the Bible.
Post by No one
That the RCC absorbed Mithraism may be true, yet their belief system did not
infect the Scriptures.
It certainly seems to be true. I don't accept the trinity as true.
Post by No one
A study of Isaiah foretells/confirms the Gospel Message of Christ.
Some will tell you that Isaiah 53 is not speaking of Jesus at
all, but of a messiah yet to appear. I don't believe this myself.
No one
2023-09-10 05:47:09 UTC
Permalink
Post by Just a guy
Post by No one
Post by Rod
Post by Andrew W
Post by No one
Post by Rod
On Fri, 4 Aug 2023 11:07:26 +1000, "Andrew W"
reproduce.>These were humanoid. Their craft were made of metal and
emitted fire and>bright lights. They were extraterrestrials.In the
Bible, aliens were to be treated justly and fairly. Ezekiel 22:7--
http://khanya.wordpress.comFor information about why
crossposting > > > is
Post by Rod
(usually) good, and multiposting (nearly always) bad,
see:http://oakroadsystems.com/genl/unice.htm#xpost
It's not aliens, your book is corrupt. It does not say metal,
not to mention the rest of the wrong things your book
says???
Shutup about your bible already! I'd wager that it is no more accurate
than many other bibles.
If you are not native to the Hebrew language then something is always
lost in translation.
somewhat, if your not professional in Hebrew as Saint Jerome was.
He knew how to translate words in a limited sense, But it was a dead
language
ATT
He
knew several languages very well. Is translation to latin was the best
language to translate several differ languages into the one, as a
conversion technique. He had to choose one,
However, he did not know English, nor did he write the translation you use.
The monks of his day pointed out the errors and disagreements with his
writings. They were ashamed of his drinking skills as well as living
with two
women, neither of whom were related to him.
That he was educated is true. Yet he was always in conflict with those
in the
RCC.
But as in all dictionarys,
words change, because people change them. IT does not make it correct
when this happens, and that is why the New Douay Rheims version that the
Vatican II has published of NOVUS ORDO, is totaly forbidden by the true
catholic church, and we do not give a dam what they claim about it, or
us doing so.
Anyone who prays to Mary is not of God. There is only one way, one path to
the Heavenly Father.
If the "Heavenly Father" wasn't so jealous and vengeful and capricious
then people wouldn't need to turn to a motherly figure.
Why does Protestantism damn motherly figures? Do you snub your mother?
Protestantism has gone a bit crazy with patriarchy.
Christianity is a polytheistic religion. It changed from monotheism
to polytheism after Eusebius forged that phrase about Christ being
more than a man.
The religion has been thru a great many changes. It began as worship
of the Universe as the Creator while the Anakim, Nephalim and Rephaim
were still on the earth and as time move along it gathered up the
elements of star worship in Mesopotamia, took on elements of Pharoh
worship because of Osirus in Egypt to morph into Atun worship(The Sun)
to morph yet again into monotheism as it made it's way out of Egypt
and into Canaan to finally morph into the Mithra duplicate that we have
had since the birth of Christ and the 3 headed God.
It will change again, there beliefs seem to shift when a new idea
comes along disguised as a revelation from God.
Yet there is no mention of those things in the Bible as having to due with
mankind at any point of mans existence.
That proves nothing. There are tons of things done by Christ that
didn't make it into the Bible.
True, not all things are mentioned, as there are not enough books in which to
write them. But as to false gods and the interaction of men with them the
highlights are all mentioned. The so-called morphing cannot be shown, Sun
worshipping is quite evident in Rome even at this time. As to monotheism in
Egypt, who can say for they have had many gods, even so at one point a Hebrew
co ruled with a Pharaoh for years. He ruled the country for the Pharaoh, and
the Hebrew was monotheistic which happened 100's of years before the Hebrews
left Egypt.
Post by Just a guy
Post by No one
That the RCC absorbed Mithraism may be true, yet their belief system did not
infect the Scriptures.
It certainly seems to be true. I don't accept the trinity as true.
There is no trinity mentioned in the Bible.
Post by Just a guy
Post by No one
A study of Isaiah foretells/confirms the Gospel Message of Christ.
Some will tell you that Isaiah 53 is not speaking of Jesus at
all, but of a messiah yet to appear. I don't believe this myself.
That a person does not believe what God has said will never prove God wrong.
Many "Christians" pick and chose what they believe even when the Word says
things explicitly. Isaiah 53 is not the only place, and there are many other
books there that speak of Jesus.
El Kabong
2023-09-10 07:23:04 UTC
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Post by No one
A study of Isaiah foretells/confirms the Gospel Message of Christ.
No it doesn't. The author of Isaiah describes the
messiah as quite different from Jesus. The Messiah is to
be called Emmanuel, and the government will be upon his
shoulders. That never happened to Jesus.

Miss.
No one
2023-09-10 20:26:36 UTC
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Post by No one
A study of Isaiah foretells/confirms the Gospel Message of Christ.
No it doesn't. The author of Isaiah describes the
messiah as quite different from Jesus. The Messiah is to
be called Emmanuel, and the government will be upon his
shoulders. That never happened to Jesus.
Miss.
It does.“Behold, a virgin shall be with child, and shall bring forth a son,
and they shall call his name Emmanuel, which being interpreted is, God with
us.” (Mat 1:23)
Here we have one of the most wonderful things in the entire Word of God.
Let's look at this. Emmanuel means “God with us.” He can't be Emmanuel,
God with us, unless he is virgin born. That's the only way! And notice,
unless He is Emmanuel, He cannot be Jesus, the Savior. The reason they call
Him Jesus, Savior, is because He is God with us. This truth about the One who
came down to this earth is one of the most wonderful things in the Bible.

“But we see Jesus, who was made a little lower than the angels for the
suffering of death, crowned with glory and honour; that he by the grace of
God should taste death for every man” (Heb 2:9). He had to be a sacrifice
that was acceptable. I couldn't die for the sins of the world. I can't even
die a redemptive death for my own sins. But He can! How can Jesus be a
Savior? Because He is Emmanuel, God with us. How did He get with us? He was
virgin born. I say again, He was called Jesus. He was never called Emmanuel.
But you cannot call Him Jesus unless He is Emmanuel, God with us. He must be
Emmanuel to be the Savior of the world. That is how important the virgin
birth is. Note: This end taken from a commentary by Dr. McGee, I thought it
easier to C&P it then to write it out in my words.

As to the Government being on His Shoulders?
This will take place at the end of the 7 year tribulation, when He returns to
this earth to rule for 1,000 years. That is a full part of the "Kingdom of
God" of which the Born Again Believer of this age is a full part of.

This is all written in the scriptures.
Rod
2023-09-11 01:39:00 UTC
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Post by No one
Post by No one
A study of Isaiah foretells/confirms the Gospel Message of Christ.
No it doesn't. The author of Isaiah describes the
messiah as quite different from Jesus. The Messiah is to
be called Emmanuel, and the government will be upon his
shoulders. That never happened to Jesus.
Miss.
It does.“Behold, a virgin shall be with child, and shall bring forth a son,
and they shall call his name Emmanuel, which being interpreted is, God with
us.” (Mat 1:23)
Here we have one of the most wonderful things in the entire Word of God.
Let's look at this. Emmanuel means “God with us.” He can't be Emmanuel,
God with us, unless he is virgin born. That's the only way! And notice,
unless He is Emmanuel, He cannot be Jesus, the Savior. The reason they call
Him Jesus, Savior, is because He is God with us. This truth about the One who
came down to this earth is one of the most wonderful things in the Bible.
“But we see Jesus, who was made a little lower than the angels for the
suffering of death, crowned with glory and honour; that he by the grace of
God should taste death for every man” (Heb 2:9). He had to be a sacrifice
that was acceptable. I couldn't die for the sins of the world. I can't even
die a redemptive death for my own sins. But He can! How can Jesus be a
Savior? Because He is Emmanuel, God with us. How did He get with us? He was
virgin born. I say again, He was called Jesus. He was never called Emmanuel.
This is circular logic above. But this logic alone shows that
Jesus could not be the messiah. This makes it look like someone
is trying to make jesus the messiah whether he is or not.

I think that this alone is enough reason to doubt as the logic above
could hide in the shadow that a corkscrew throws.



But Matthew 1:23 says explicitly that they shall call his name
Emmanuel, NOT Jesus, NOT Jose.

Mark 1:3 speaks to others about making the Lords paths straight
Post by No one
But you cannot call Him Jesus unless He is Emmanuel, God with us. He must be
Emmanuel to be the Savior of the world. That is how important the virgin
birth is. Note: This end taken from a commentary by Dr. McGee, I thought it
easier to C&P it then to write it out in my words.
As to the Government being on His Shoulders?
This will take place at the end of the 7 year tribulation, when He returns to
this earth to rule for 1,000 years. That is a full part of the "Kingdom of
God" of which the Born Again Believer of this age is a full part of.
This is all written in the scriptures.
No one
2023-09-11 07:16:48 UTC
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A study of Isaiah foretells/confirms the Gospel Message of Christ.
No it doesn't. The author of Isaiah describes the
messiah as quite different from Jesus. The Messiah is to
be called Emmanuel, and the government will be upon his
shoulders. That never happened to Jesus.
Miss.
It does.“Behold, a virgin shall be with child, and shall bring forth a son,
and they shall call his name Emmanuel, which being interpreted is, God with
us.” (Mat 1:23)
Here we have one of the most wonderful things in the entire Word of God.
Let's look at this. Emmanuel means “God with us.” He can't be Emmanuel,
God with us, unless he is virgin born. That's the only way! And notice,
unless He is Emmanuel, He cannot be Jesus, the Savior. The reason they call
Him Jesus, Savior, is because He is God with us. This truth about the One who
came down to this earth is one of the most wonderful things in the Bible.
“But we see Jesus, who was made a little lower than the angels for the
suffering of death, crowned with glory and honour; that he by the grace of
God should taste death for every man” (Heb 2:9). He had to be a sacrifice
that was acceptable. I couldn't die for the sins of the world. I can't even
die a redemptive death for my own sins. But He can! How can Jesus be a
Savior? Because He is Emmanuel, God with us. How did He get with us? He was
virgin born. I say again, He was called Jesus. He was never called Emmanuel.
This is circular logic above. But this logic alone shows that
Jesus could not be the messiah. This makes it look like someone
is trying to make jesus the messiah whether he is or not.
To do so one would have to ignore the scripture in Matthew regarding
"Emmanuel", and ignore that the English use of the word Jesus was a modified
word for Yeshua/Joshua. So it might be easier to claim that something was
trying to loose it all in the translation, yet the scriptural context across
both the old and new testaments is consistent. Look at the meaning of the
word Joshua in Hebrew, it means something like Yahweh is Savior. I cannot
remember ATM.
Post by Rod
I think that this alone is enough reason to doubt as the logic above
could hide in the shadow that a corkscrew throws.
That may seem so to anyone who did not or does not consider the Holy Bible
the "Word of God"
Post by Rod
But Matthew 1:23 says explicitly that they shall call his name
Emmanuel, NOT Jesus, NOT Jose.
Yes, meaning "God with us" thus speaking as to His Origin and the reality of
whom He is.
Post by Rod
Mark 1:3 speaks to others about making the Lords paths straight
That refers to John the Baptist. I am unclear as to why that was brought up.
However, that too was prophesied.
Post by Rod
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But you cannot call Him Jesus unless He is Emmanuel, God with us. He must be
Emmanuel to be the Savior of the world. That is how important the virgin
birth is. Note: This end taken from a commentary by Dr. McGee, I thought it
easier to C&P it then to write it out in my words.
As to the Government being on His Shoulders?
This will take place at the end of the 7 year tribulation, when He returns to
this earth to rule for 1,000 years. That is a full part of the "Kingdom of
God" of which the Born Again Believer of this age is a full part of.
This is all written in the scriptures.
El Kabong
2023-09-16 06:53:40 UTC
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Post by No one
A study of Isaiah foretells/confirms the Gospel Message of Christ.
No it doesn't. The author of Isaiah describes the
messiah as quite different from Jesus. The Messiah is to
be called Emmanuel, and the government will be upon his
shoulders. That never happened to Jesus.
Miss.
It does.“Behold, a virgin shall be with child, and shall bring forth a son,
and they shall call his name Emmanuel, which being interpreted is, God with
us.” (Mat 1:23)
Which never happened. Jesus was named Jesus, not
Emmanuel.
Here we have one of the most wonderful things in the entire Word of God.
Let's look at this. Emmanuel means “God with us.” He can't be Emmanuel,
God with us, unless he is virgin born. That's the only way! And notice,
LOL. That's an MX-scale leap of illogic.

Did you know that there are thousands of people today
named Emmanuel who are not virgin-born? Why, some of
them are even second and third children. Some of them
have mothers who whored around for years before they got
preggy with Emmanuel.

Robert, you are known for pulling shit like this out of
your ass. That's expected of you.

...
I say again, He was called Jesus. He was never called Emmanuel.
Thank you for admitting your error.
But you cannot call Him Jesus unless He is Emmanuel, God with us. He must be
Emmanuel to be the Savior of the world.
Again, there are thousands of guys named Jesus who are
not Emmanuel. Jesus Christ was only one of them.
That is how important the virgin
birth is. Note: This end taken from a commentary by Dr. McGee, I thought it
easier to C&P it then to write it out in my words.
None of this has anything to do with a virgin birth.

The myth of Jesus's virgin birth was made up long after
he died. Did anyone actually inspect Mary's hymen when
she was pregnant?

It's all myth, Robert.
As to the Government being on His Shoulders?
This will take place at the end of the 7 year tribulation, when He returns to
this earth to rule for 1,000 years. That is a full part of the "Kingdom of
God" of which the Born Again Believer of this age is a full part of.
This is all written in the scriptures.
That's always the true believer's answer to failed
prophecy, isn't it? "It hasn't happened yet..."

The fulfillment is imminent, and always will be.
No one
2023-09-16 16:17:07 UTC
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A study of Isaiah foretells/confirms the Gospel Message of Christ.
No it doesn't. The author of Isaiah describes the
messiah as quite different from Jesus. The Messiah is to
be called Emmanuel, and the government will be upon his
shoulders. That never happened to Jesus.
Miss.
It does.“Behold, a virgin shall be with child, and shall bring forth a
son, and they shall call his name Emmanuel, which being interpreted is,
God with us.” (Mat 1:23)
Which never happened. Jesus was named Jesus, not
Emmanuel.
Jesus was not named Jesus, but then you would not know that because Jesus is
his English name.

If you took the time to read and understand the verse of scripture it says,
"and they shall call his name Emmanuel" and then says that that title means,
being "God with us". And to this day that holds true, we call Him Emmanuel as
he is "God with us". Throughout time he will be known as that and by all men
whether or not they chose to believe in Him. John 1:1-5 says the same thing,
in different words.
Post by No one
Here we have one of the most wonderful things in the entire Word of God.
Let's look at this. Emmanuel means “God with us.” He can't be Emmanuel,
God with us, unless he is virgin born. That's the only way! And notice,
LOL. That's an MX-scale leap of illogic.
That statement is made by you, because you are ignorant of the Bible and do
not take the time to read and or understand it. As a non-believer you cannot
understand it fully so you discuss it from the standpoint of the evil one.
All throughout the Bible it makes mention of him, from the forecasting of Him
to the end times of Man where he will rule the earth for 1,000 years. MX has
his own difficulties.
Did you know that there are thousands of people today
named Emmanuel who are not virgin-born? Why, some of
them are even second and third children. Some of them
have mothers who whored around for years before they got
preggy with Emmanuel.
There are also lots of men named Jesus, Jesus Gonzales being but one of them.

However, there is only one virgin born Jesus. Only one who matched the over
370 prophesies about him, his birth, where he was to be born, his life,
death, and resurrection.
Robert, you are known for pulling shit like this out of
your ass. That's expected of you.
Your personal ignorance cannot sit in judgment of me, and therefor the best
you have is an opinion based on your ignorance. For that reason you cannot
prove your accusations.
...
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I say again, He was called Jesus. He was never called Emmanuel.
Thank you for admitting your error.
It was an error on my part, as I should have stated that he was not "Named"
Emmanuel by His Mom or stepdad.

Care to know why or how he was named Jesus?

“Then Joseph her husband, being a just man, and not willing to make her a
publick example, was minded to put her away privily. But while he thought on
these things, behold, the angel of the Lord appeared unto him in a dream,
saying, Joseph, thou son of David, fear not to take unto thee Mary thy wife:
for that which is conceived in her is of the Holy Ghost. And she shall bring
forth a son, and thou shalt call his name JESUS: for he shall save his people
from their sins.” (Mat 1:19-21)

And IF you were to know the name given him in the original language it would
all make sense to you. So you can see that "logic" had no part in explaining
this, as the scripture spelled it our plainly for all, and in greek that
means "ALL", to see and understand without confusion.
Post by No one
But you cannot call Him Jesus unless He is Emmanuel, God with us. He must be
Emmanuel to be the Savior of the world.
Again, there are thousands of guys named Jesus who are
not Emmanuel. Jesus Christ was only one of them.
"Jesus Christ" is also an English translation from the original language. He
is exactly as He was described in scripture. I wish you would take the time
to read it asking God for the understanding of it to be made clear for you to
see.
Post by No one
That is how important the virgin
birth is. Note: This end taken from a commentary by Dr. McGee, I thought it
easier to C&P it then to write it out in my words.
None of this has anything to do with a virgin birth.
Says who?
The myth of Jesus's virgin birth was made up long after
he died.
The Old Testament spoke of it centuries before it occurred, the gospels
mention if from the viewpoint and understanding of men who lived with Jesus
as he ministered and were eyewitnesses to the events of the day, men who told
untold thousands about it as well as wrote it down for our sakes that we
might know.
Did anyone actually inspect Mary's hymen when
she was pregnant?
It's all myth, Robert.
You deceive yourself.

As I have said many times, I have experientially known and have a working
relationship with Him. I thereby know the truth of the Word of God and am not
ashamed of it either. So for you to make some pathetic comment and give me
the advice that it is all a myth is capricious at best, and I know beyond any
shadow of doubt His Reality as well as His reality in my personal life. With
Joy unspeakable.
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As to the Government being on His Shoulders?
This will take place at the end of the 7 year tribulation, when He returns to
this earth to rule for 1,000 years. That is a full part of the "Kingdom of
God" of which the Born Again Believer of this age is a full part of.
This is all written in the scriptures.
That's always the true believer's answer to failed
prophecy, isn't it? "It hasn't happened yet..."
The fulfillment is imminent, and always will be.
Nope, there are well defined things that must happen before the return of the
Messiah to rule for a thousand years. The last of these events are shaping up
as we speak. These are the last days of the ekklesia, those who have been
called out. And there will be a sweeping move of God by His Holy Spirit by
which millions, and perhaps a billion lives will be Born Again, and then
Jesus will come in the clouds and gather up all of His people to go with Him
and then sudden destruction will fall on those left behind and your personal
chances of survival will be extremely slim, as a doubter. Much of America
will be destroyed in the process and there will then follow seven years of
Hell on earth.

May you accept the Mercies of the Lord before that time.
El Kabong
2023-09-16 19:36:37 UTC
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A study of Isaiah foretells/confirms the Gospel Message of Christ.
No it doesn't. The author of Isaiah describes the
messiah as quite different from Jesus. The Messiah is to
be called Emmanuel, and the government will be upon his
shoulders. That never happened to Jesus.
Miss.
It does.“Behold, a virgin shall be with child, and shall bring forth a
son, and they shall call his name Emmanuel, which being interpreted is,
God with us.” (Mat 1:23)
Which never happened. Jesus was named Jesus, not
Emmanuel.
Jesus was not named Jesus, but then you would not know that because Jesus is
his English name.
Yes, his name in Aramaic was Yeshua. But this
conversation is in english, so I use his english name.

Neither one is Emmanuel.

<much sniption>
Post by No one
If you took the time to read and understand the verse of scripture it says,
"and they shall call his name Emmanuel" and then says that that title means,
being "God with us". And to this day that holds true, we call Him Emmanuel as
he is "God with us".
The author of Isaiah said they will call his *name*
Emmanuel. It doesn't say he will be called by the title
The Emmanuel. Nobody calls him that, even today. The
Christ, The Messiah, yes. The Emmanuel, no.

Emmenual was given as a name, not a title.

Failed prophecy. Admit it and move on.
Post by No one
Here we have one of the most wonderful things in the entire Word of God.
Let's look at this. Emmanuel means “God with us.” He can't be Emmanuel,
God with us, unless he is virgin born. That's the only way! And notice,
LOL. That's an MX-scale leap of illogic.
That statement is made by you, because you are ignorant of the Bible and do
not take the time to read and or understand it. As a non-believer you cannot
understand it fully so you discuss it from the standpoint of the evil one.
Now you are just being silly. The most thorough
understanding of the bible would not change its meaning.

The bible says what it says. The most feverishly fervent
faith does not give you the power to make it mean the
opposite of what it says.
Post by No one
Did you know that there are thousands of people today
named Emmanuel who are not virgin-born? Why, some of
them are even second and third children. Some of them
have mothers who whored around for years before they got
preggy with Emmanuel.
There are also lots of men named Jesus, Jesus Gonzales being but one of them.
However, there is only one virgin born Jesus. Only one who matched the over
370 prophesies about him, his birth, where he was to be born, his life,
death, and resurrection.
Being supposedly virgin-born, which he wasn't, has
nothing to do with his name.
Post by No one
Robert, you are known for pulling shit like this out of
your ass. That's expected of you.
Your personal ignorance cannot sit in judgment of me, and therefor the best
you have is an opinion based on your ignorance. For that reason you cannot
prove your accusations.
You already proved it for me when you presented the
Vulgate bible as a "Roman record" of Jesus.

You are an intellectually dishonest person. You won't
miss an opportunity to lie for the glory of Jesus.
Post by No one
But you cannot call Him Jesus unless He is Emmanuel, God with us. He must be
Emmanuel to be the Savior of the world.
Again, there are thousands of guys named Jesus who are
not Emmanuel. Jesus Christ was only one of them.
"Jesus Christ" is also an English translation from the original language. He
is exactly as He was described in scripture. I wish you would take the time
to read it asking God for the understanding of it to be made clear for you to
see.
That is how important the virgin
birth is. Note: This end taken from a commentary by Dr. McGee, I thought it
easier to C&P it then to write it out in my words.
None of this has anything to do with a virgin birth.
Says who?
Logic and reason.

If there's a connection between Jesus's name and virgin
Post by No one
The myth of Jesus's virgin birth was made up long after
he died.
The Old Testament spoke of it centuries before it occurred, the gospels
mention if from the viewpoint and understanding of men who lived with Jesus
as he ministered and were eyewitnesses to the events of the day, men who told
The gospels were written around the prophesies. Of
course they match... when the story can be shoehorned
into the prophecy. The name can't.
Post by No one
Did anyone actually inspect Mary's hymen when
she was pregnant?
It's all myth, Robert.
You deceive yourself.
As I have said many times, I have experientially known and have a working
relationship with Him. I thereby know the truth of the Word of God and am not
ashamed of it either. So for you to make some pathetic comment and give me
the advice that it is all a myth is capricious at best, and I know beyond any
shadow of doubt His Reality as well as His reality in my personal life. With
Joy unspeakable.
Your personal Joy cannot convince anyone but you. Your
stories would be a little more convincing if they at
least made sense. But they don't, and you can't see that.
No one
2023-09-16 23:55:29 UTC
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A study of Isaiah foretells/confirms the Gospel Message of Christ.
No it doesn't. The author of Isaiah describes the
messiah as quite different from Jesus. The Messiah is to
be called Emmanuel, and the government will be upon his
shoulders. That never happened to Jesus.
Miss.
It does.“Behold, a virgin shall be with child, and shall bring forth a
son, and they shall call his name Emmanuel, which being interpreted is,
God with us.” (Mat 1:23)
Which never happened. Jesus was named Jesus, not
Emmanuel.
Jesus was not named Jesus, but then you would not know that because Jesus is
his English name.
Yes, his name in Aramaic was Yeshua. But this
conversation is in english, so I use his english name.
There are others as well, Iēsous
Neither one is Emmanuel.
<much sniption>
Which you need to read as to whom the "they" is. As well as other proofs.
Post by No one
If you took the time to read and understand the verse of scripture it says,
"and they shall call his name Emmanuel" and then says that that title means,
being "God with us". And to this day that holds true, we call Him Emmanuel
as he is "God with us".
The author of Isaiah said they will call his *name*
Emmanuel. It doesn't say he will be called by the title
The Emmanuel. Nobody calls him that, even today. The
Christ, The Messiah, yes. The Emmanuel, no.
There are many, many songs about him as Emmanuel or Immanuel. Both old and
new. All the song writes specifically called Jesus by that name.
Emmenual was given as a name, not a title.
Christ was not a "given" name either, but a title.
Failed prophecy. Admit it and move on.
Not at all. You snipped out the portion of my post that explained it in part.
Post by No one
Post by No one
Here we have one of the most wonderful things in the entire Word of God.
Let's look at this. Emmanuel means “God with us.” He can't be Emmanuel,
God with us, unless he is virgin born. That's the only way! And notice,
LOL. That's an MX-scale leap of illogic.
That statement is made by you, because you are ignorant of the Bible and do
not take the time to read and or understand it. As a non-believer you cannot
understand it fully so you discuss it from the standpoint of the evil one.
Now you are just being silly. The most thorough
understanding of the bible would not change its meaning.
Incorrect, as Jesus Is God manifested in flesh. the Bible speaks of that. And
how it was done in such a manner that the sinners around him would not drop
dead in his presence.
The bible says what it says. The most feverishly fervent
faith does not give you the power to make it mean the
opposite of what it says.
However, I have the power to speak what it says. And you are powerless to
contradict with anything other that statements of ignorance,
Post by No one
Did you know that there are thousands of people today
named Emmanuel who are not virgin-born? Why, some of
them are even second and third children. Some of them
have mothers who whored around for years before they got
preggy with Emmanuel.
There are also lots of men named Jesus, Jesus Gonzales being but one of them.
However, there is only one virgin born Jesus. Only one who matched the over
370 prophesies about him, his birth, where he was to be born, his life,
death, and resurrection.
Being supposedly virgin-born, which he wasn't, has
nothing to do with his name.
He was virgin born and that was made clear in scripture.
Post by No one
Robert, you are known for pulling shit like this out of
your ass. That's expected of you.
Your personal ignorance cannot sit in judgment of me, and therefor the best
you have is an opinion based on your ignorance. For that reason you cannot
prove your accusations.
You already proved it for me when you presented the
Vulgate bible as a "Roman record" of Jesus.
You will have to show that statement, but as to the Vulgate being of Roman
heritage there is no doubt, and in order to control those nasty christian who
were opposed to the RCC it was ordered that a drunk who lived with two women
in a monastery to rewrite the entire bible in Latin according to the terms of
its doctrines and dogmas. And that all other translations were to be burned
as well as anyone who tried to hide them.
You are an intellectually dishonest person. You won't
miss an opportunity to lie for the glory of Jesus.
Sorry you feel that way. But I do know I am not. I know whom I believe in.
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Post by No one
But you cannot call Him Jesus unless He is Emmanuel, God with us. He must
be Emmanuel to be the Savior of the world.
Again, there are thousands of guys named Jesus who are
not Emmanuel. Jesus Christ was only one of them.
"Jesus Christ" is also an English translation from the original language. He
is exactly as He was described in scripture. I wish you would take the time
to read it asking God for the understanding of it to be made clear for you to
see.
Post by No one
That is how important the virgin
birth is. Note: This end taken from a commentary by Dr. McGee, I thought
it easier to C&P it then to write it out in my words.
None of this has anything to do with a virgin birth.
Says who?
Logic and reason.
You are illogical and without spiritual understanding as far as the true God
is concerned.
If there's a connection between Jesus's name and virgin
Mat 1:18-21

18 Now the birth of Jesus Christ was on this wise: When as his mother Mary
was espoused to Joseph, before they came together, she was found with child
of the Holy Ghost.

19 Then Joseph her husband, being a just man, and not willing to make her a
publick example, was minded to put her away privily.

20 But while he thought on these things, behold, the angel of the Lord
appeared unto him in a dream, saying, Joseph, thou son of David, fear not to
take unto thee Mary thy wife: for that which is conceived in her is of the
Holy Ghost.

21 And she shall bring forth a son, and thou shalt call his name JESUS: for
he shall save his people from their sins.

I posted this to you before.
Post by No one
The myth of Jesus's virgin birth was made up long after
he died.
The Old Testament spoke of it centuries before it occurred, the gospels
mention if from the viewpoint and understanding of men who lived with Jesus
as he ministered and were eyewitnesses to the events of the day, men who told
The gospels were written around the prophesies. Of
course they match... when the story can be shoehorned
into the prophecy. The name can't.
As I said earlier, there are over 370 specific prophesies written that were
fulfilled regarding his birth death and resurrection. And the odds of all
those coming to pass are a gazillion of time more than the odds of the theory
of evolution ever happening.
Post by No one
Did anyone actually inspect Mary's hymen when
she was pregnant?
It's all myth, Robert.
You deceive yourself.
As I have said many times, I have experientially known and have a working
relationship with Him. I thereby know the truth of the Word of God and am not
ashamed of it either. So for you to make some pathetic comment and give me
the advice that it is all a myth is capricious at best, and I know beyond any
shadow of doubt His Reality as well as His reality in my personal life. With
Joy unspeakable.
Your personal Joy cannot convince anyone but you. Your
stories would be a little more convincing if they at
least made sense. But they don't, and you can't see that.
I know and have told you that there is much you cannot know or understand
being in the state you are in. I never denied that. Ignorance of God rules in
your life so that you cannot understand him, nor those that are actual
believers. One has to be spiritually alive in order to understand and walk in
the spirit to comprehend.

Those that are Born Again have to grow just like human babies do in order to
develop understand, see and hear the things of God.
El Kabong
2023-09-21 02:34:46 UTC
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A study of Isaiah foretells/confirms the Gospel Message of Christ.
No it doesn't. The author of Isaiah describes the
messiah as quite different from Jesus. The Messiah is to
be called Emmanuel, and the government will be upon his
shoulders. That never happened to Jesus.
Miss.
It does.“Behold, a virgin shall be with child, and shall bring forth a
son, and they shall call his name Emmanuel, which being interpreted is,
God with us.” (Mat 1:23)
Which never happened. Jesus was named Jesus, not
Emmanuel.
Jesus was not named Jesus, but then you would not know that because Jesus is
his English name.
Yes, his name in Aramaic was Yeshua. But this
conversation is in english, so I use his english name.
There are others as well, Ie?sous
Neither one is Emmanuel.
<much sniption>
Which you need to read as to whom the "they" is. As well as other proofs.
No, I snipped your babble because it was irrelevant or
off-track. The point I am making here is that the
prophecy of one of the Isaiah authors, about the messiah
being named Emmanuel, was incorrect. It was a failure.
Post by No one
If you took the time to read and understand the verse of scripture it says,
"and they shall call his name Emmanuel" and then says that that title means,
being "God with us". And to this day that holds true, we call Him Emmanuel
as he is "God with us".
The author of Isaiah said they will call his *name*
Emmanuel. It doesn't say he will be called by the title
The Emmanuel. Nobody calls him that, even today. The
Christ, The Messiah, yes. The Emmanuel, no.
There are many, many songs about him as Emmanuel or Immanuel. Both old and
new. All the song writes specifically called Jesus by that name.
Emmenual was given as a name, not a title.
Christ was not a "given" name either, but a title.
Failed prophecy. Admit it and move on.
Not at all. You snipped out the portion of my post that explained it in part.
The snipped portion was irrelevant. You explained
nothing.
Post by No one
Here we have one of the most wonderful things in the entire Word of God.
Let's look at this. Emmanuel means “God with us.” He can't be Emmanuel,
God with us, unless he is virgin born. That's the only way! And notice,
LOL. That's an MX-scale leap of illogic.
That statement is made by you, because you are ignorant of the Bible and do
not take the time to read and or understand it. As a non-believer you cannot
understand it fully so you discuss it from the standpoint of the evil one.
Now you are just being silly. The most thorough
understanding of the bible would not change its meaning.
Incorrect, as Jesus Is God manifested in flesh. the Bible speaks of that. And
how it was done in such a manner that the sinners around him would not drop
dead in his presence.
You dearly want to believe that. You can't understand
that your desire is not convincing to a reasoned
audience.

There is no reason for a reasonable person to think the
bibles stories are true. You may believe as you will.
Post by No one
Did you know that there are thousands of people today
named Emmanuel who are not virgin-born? Why, some of
them are even second and third children. Some of them
have mothers who whored around for years before they got
preggy with Emmanuel.
There are also lots of men named Jesus, Jesus Gonzales being but one of them.
However, there is only one virgin born Jesus. Only one who matched the over
370 prophesies about him, his birth, where he was to be born, his life,
death, and resurrection.
Being supposedly virgin-born, which he wasn't, has
nothing to do with his name.
He was virgin born and that was made clear in scripture.
The scripture makes nothing clear, any more than Grimm's
fairy tales.
Post by No one
Robert, you are known for pulling shit like this out of
your ass. That's expected of you.
Your personal ignorance cannot sit in judgment of me, and therefor the best
you have is an opinion based on your ignorance. For that reason you cannot
prove your accusations.
You already proved it for me when you presented the
Vulgate bible as a "Roman record" of Jesus.
You will have to show that statement, but as to the Vulgate being of Roman
heritage there is no doubt, and in order to control those nasty christian who
were opposed to the RCC it was ordered that a drunk who lived with two women
in a monastery to rewrite the entire bible in Latin according to the terms of
its doctrines and dogmas. And that all other translations were to be burned
as well as anyone who tried to hide them.
This is just bizarre.

The Vulgate is simply a latin translation of the bible.
You are trying to say the bible is a roman document.

Ain't so.
You are an intellectually dishonest person. You won't
miss an opportunity to lie for the glory of Jesus.
Sorry you feel that way. But I do know I am not. I know whom I believe in.
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But you cannot call Him Jesus unless He is Emmanuel, God with us. He must
be Emmanuel to be the Savior of the world.
Again, there are thousands of guys named Jesus who are
not Emmanuel. Jesus Christ was only one of them.
"Jesus Christ" is also an English translation from the original language. He
is exactly as He was described in scripture. I wish you would take the time
to read it asking God for the understanding of it to be made clear for you
to see.
I wish you would take the time to read the 3 Little Pigs,
so you could understand that brick houses are the only
way to go.
If there's a connection between Jesus's name and virgin
Mat 1:18-21
<snip>

So the mythology says an angel told Jesus to marry Mary
and name the baby Jesus (not Emmanuel). How does that
prove Jesus had to have a virgin birth?

Don't bother answering. Your thinking is befuddled.
I posted this to you before.
And i snipped it as irrelevant before.
Post by No one
The myth of Jesus's virgin birth was made up long after
he died.
The Old Testament spoke of it centuries before it occurred, the gospels
mention if from the viewpoint and understanding of men who lived with Jesus
as he ministered and were eyewitnesses to the events of the day, men who told
The gospels were written around the prophesies. Of
course they match... when the story can be shoehorned
into the prophecy. The name can't.
As I said earlier, there are over 370 specific prophesies written that were
fulfilled regarding his birth death and resurrection. And the odds of all
those coming to pass are a gazillion of time more than the odds of the theory
of evolution ever happening.
As I said earlier, the Gospels were written to match the
prophecies. For example, the story of how Jesus was born
in Bethleham, the city of David, was contrived to fit the
prophecy. The gospel writers knew they couldn't just
admit Jesus was born in Nazareth, because that would
disqualify him as messiah.

The gospel writers were very familiar with the
prophecies, and they did a great job of writing fiction
that followed the narrative.
Post by No one
Did anyone actually inspect Mary's hymen when
she was pregnant?
Well?
Post by No one
It's all myth, Robert.
You deceive yourself.
As I have said many times, I have experientially known and have a working
relationship with Him. I thereby know the truth of the Word of God and am not
ashamed of it either. So for you to make some pathetic comment and give me
the advice that it is all a myth is capricious at best, and I know beyond any
shadow of doubt His Reality as well as His reality in my personal life. With
Joy unspeakable.
Your personal Joy cannot convince anyone but you. Your
stories would be a little more convincing if they at
least made sense. But they don't, and you can't see that.
I know and have told you that there is much you cannot know or understand
being in the state you are in. I never denied that. Ignorance of God rules in
your life so that you cannot understand him, nor those that are actual
believers. One has to be spiritually alive in order to understand and walk in
the spirit to comprehend.
Those that are Born Again have to grow just like human babies do in order to
develop understand, see and hear the things of God.
I'm a long-recovered ex-Born Againer. You are still an
active self-deceiver. I hold no hope that you will open
your eyes. Like the flat-earthers, you are highly
skilled in perpetuating the self-deception.

You don't realize that when you ask rational people to
believe all this happy horseshit, you insult their
intelligence.
No one
2023-09-21 05:01:42 UTC
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Incorrect, as Jesus Is God manifested in flesh. the Bible speaks of that. And
how it was done in such a manner that the sinners around him would not drop
dead in his presence.
You dearly want to believe that. You can't understand
that your desire is not convincing to a reasoned
audience.
There is no reason for a reasonable person to think the
bibles stories are true. You may believe as you will.
Reasonable is the standard of Man, not God.

I have personally experienced the Love of God, as well as a relationship with
him, while it may not approach those that are the hero's of Faith as
portrayed in the Word of God, never the less it is very real and it makes the
word of God come alive. That same or better experiential relationship is
available to all who are willing to humble themselves to the Almighty God.

May you come to the knowledge of truth, before truth returns in the clouds to
take all the Believers to go home with him, Both those who died in the past
and those that are alive at this time. It not, sudden destruction will fall
immediately afterwards as portrayed in the Bible. It would be better were you
prepared for it, as you may not make it through the 1st instance of
destruction that will happen in the following seven years.

Because I know the reality of God, I know his truth is everlasting.
El Kabong
2023-09-22 03:20:57 UTC
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Post by No one
Incorrect, as Jesus Is God manifested in flesh. the Bible speaks of that. And
how it was done in such a manner that the sinners around him would not drop
dead in his presence.
You dearly want to believe that. You can't understand
that your desire is not convincing to a reasoned
audience.
There is no reason for a reasonable person to think the
bibles stories are true. You may believe as you will.
Reasonable is the standard of Man, not God.
I know you would prefer no standards.

Thank you for realizing Jesus failed some of the
prophecies in Isaiah.
No one
2023-09-22 14:41:51 UTC
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Post by No one
Post by No one
Incorrect, as Jesus Is God manifested in flesh. the Bible speaks of that. And
how it was done in such a manner that the sinners around him would not drop
dead in his presence.
You dearly want to believe that. You can't understand
that your desire is not convincing to a reasoned
audience.
There is no reason for a reasonable person to think the
bibles stories are true. You may believe as you will.
Reasonable is the standard of Man, not God.
I know you would prefer no standards.
Thank you for realizing Jesus failed some of the
prophecies in Isaiah.
He did not fail in anything. He is still being called Emmanuel to this day.
El Kabong
2023-09-23 00:01:00 UTC
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Post by El Kabong
Post by No one
Post by No one
Incorrect, as Jesus Is God manifested in flesh. the Bible speaks of that.
And
how it was done in such a manner that the sinners around him would not drop
dead in his presence.
You dearly want to believe that. You can't understand
that your desire is not convincing to a reasoned
audience.
There is no reason for a reasonable person to think the
bibles stories are true. You may believe as you will.
Reasonable is the standard of Man, not God.
I know you would prefer no standards.
Thank you for realizing Jesus failed some of the
prophecies in Isaiah.
He did not fail in anything. He is still being called Emmanuel to this day.
Yeah, it wasn't Jesus's idea to set him up as the
messiah, so it wasn't his fail. It was Paul and the
gospel writers who rewrote the story ex post facto, and
turned him into a messiah. They mostly succeeded, as
xtianity is thriving today, but the truth is out. So I
was partly wrong.

Calling him Emmanuel in story & song is still after the
fact, and it doesn't change history. The government was
never on his shoulders either.

Even so, you and the voices in your head are happy, so
carry on as you were.
No one
2023-09-23 00:26:54 UTC
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Post by No one
Post by El Kabong
Post by No one
Post by No one
Incorrect, as Jesus Is God manifested in flesh. the Bible speaks of
that.
And
how it was done in such a manner that the sinners around him would not
drop
dead in his presence.
You dearly want to believe that. You can't understand
that your desire is not convincing to a reasoned
audience.
There is no reason for a reasonable person to think the
bibles stories are true. You may believe as you will.
Reasonable is the standard of Man, not God.
I know you would prefer no standards.
Thank you for realizing Jesus failed some of the
prophecies in Isaiah.
He did not fail in anything. He is still being called Emmanuel to this day.
Yeah, it wasn't Jesus's idea to set him up as the
messiah, so it wasn't his fail. It was Paul and the
gospel writers who rewrote the story ex post facto, and
turned him into a messiah. They mostly succeeded, as
xtianity is thriving today, but the truth is out. So I
was partly wrong.
He was the prophesied Messiah and there were over 300 prophecies about him
his birth, life. Etc. The odds of that happening a gazillions of times
greater than the theory of evolution.

So you were totally wrong.
Post by El Kabong
Calling him Emmanuel in story & song is still after the
fact, and it doesn't change history. The government was
never on his shoulders either.
He as called that in his day as well. When asked by the Jewish High Priest
that he was God, he told him it was as he said.
Post by El Kabong
Even so, you and the voices in your head are happy, so
carry on as you were.
Not in my head, they were all external. You lose again.

When your life takes a sorry turn, who are you going to call on?
El Kabong
2023-09-25 02:27:23 UTC
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Post by El Kabong
Post by No one
Post by El Kabong
Post by No one
Post by No one
Incorrect, as Jesus Is God manifested in flesh. the Bible speaks of
that.
And
how it was done in such a manner that the sinners around him would not
drop
dead in his presence.
You dearly want to believe that. You can't understand
that your desire is not convincing to a reasoned
audience.
There is no reason for a reasonable person to think the
bibles stories are true. You may believe as you will.
Reasonable is the standard of Man, not God.
I know you would prefer no standards.
Thank you for realizing Jesus failed some of the
prophecies in Isaiah.
He did not fail in anything. He is still being called Emmanuel to this day.
Yeah, it wasn't Jesus's idea to set him up as the
messiah, so it wasn't his fail. It was Paul and the
gospel writers who rewrote the story ex post facto, and
turned him into a messiah. They mostly succeeded, as
xtianity is thriving today, but the truth is out. So I
was partly wrong.
He was the prophesied Messiah and there were over 300 prophecies about him
his birth, life. Etc. The odds of that happening a gazillions of times
greater than the theory of evolution.
So you were totally wrong.
You don't listen very well. You believe what you want. I
do not believe the bible. Nothing in it is reliable.

Jesus fulfilled few if any prophecies. We know little
about Jesus. The gospels are >90% fiction, written to
make people think Jesus was a messiah.

Christianity fooled christians into believing Jesus
fulfilled the prophecies, even tho he didn't. Jesus
himself probably had little to do with it.

I was essentially right.
Post by No one
Post by El Kabong
Calling him Emmanuel in story & song is still after the
fact, and it doesn't change history. The government was
never on his shoulders either.
He as called that in his day as well. When asked by the Jewish High Priest
that he was God, he told him it was as he said.
Call Jesus whatever you like, just don't call him late
for the Last Supper.
Post by No one
Post by El Kabong
Even so, you and the voices in your head are happy, so
carry on as you were.
Not in my head, they were all external. You lose again.
You, MX, Duke, Jimmy Swaggert, you all hear gods talking
to you. Surprisingly, you are all known to take severe
liberties with the truth.

Amazing coincidence?
Post by No one
When your life takes a sorry turn, who are you going to call on?
The Blue Fairy. Accept her or perish.
No one
2023-09-25 03:49:00 UTC
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Post by El Kabong
Post by No one
Post by El Kabong
Post by No one
Post by No one
Incorrect, as Jesus Is God manifested in flesh. the Bible speaks of
that.
And
how it was done in such a manner that the sinners around him would not
drop
dead in his presence.
You dearly want to believe that. You can't understand
that your desire is not convincing to a reasoned
audience.
There is no reason for a reasonable person to think the
bibles stories are true. You may believe as you will.
Reasonable is the standard of Man, not God.
I know you would prefer no standards.
Thank you for realizing Jesus failed some of the
prophecies in Isaiah.
He did not fail in anything. He is still being called Emmanuel to this day.
Yeah, it wasn't Jesus's idea to set him up as the
messiah, so it wasn't his fail. It was Paul and the
gospel writers who rewrote the story ex post facto, and
turned him into a messiah. They mostly succeeded, as
xtianity is thriving today, but the truth is out. So I
was partly wrong.
He was the prophesied Messiah and there were over 300 prophecies about him
his birth, life. Etc. The odds of that happening a gazillions of times
greater than the theory of evolution.
So you were totally wrong.
You don't listen very well. You believe what you want. I
do not believe the bible. Nothing in it is reliable.
Did you read what I said above about the 300+ prophecies? They have been
certified by many people and are provable via history, the fact that the
prophecies were given by various men who did not know each other as some were
dead 100's for years before or after the other prophets. You can chose to
ignore the truth of the matter but that will not disprove what has already
been proven my many people and done so mathematically as to the ODDS.

You make yourself look stupid when you argue against the proven.
Jesus fulfilled few if any prophecies. We know little
about Jesus. The gospels are >90% fiction, written to
make people think Jesus was a messiah.
That you know nothing is true.
Christianity fooled christians into believing Jesus
fulfilled the prophecies, even tho he didn't. Jesus
himself probably had little to do with it.
I was essentially right.
You are so wrong. I can lead you to the waters of Life, but I cannot make you
drink, lest when you drink you have to admit that water is truly water. And
if you die from refusing drinking water then you die in chosen ignorance and
that is all on your shoulders alone.

But keep your eyes open, soon you shall see what the people in the days after
Jesus returned to heaven happening around the world, Perhaps your last chance
at eternal life.

I'll read your one last post on this topic you can have the last comment.
Post by No one
Post by El Kabong
Calling him Emmanuel in story & song is still after the
fact, and it doesn't change history. The government was
never on his shoulders either.
He as called that in his day as well. When asked by the Jewish High Priest
that he was God, he told him it was as he said.
Call Jesus whatever you like, just don't call him late
for the Last Supper.
Post by No one
Post by El Kabong
Even so, you and the voices in your head are happy, so
carry on as you were.
Not in my head, they were all external. You lose again.
You, MX, Duke, Jimmy Swaggert, you all hear gods talking
to you. Surprisingly, you are all known to take severe
liberties with the truth.
Amazing coincidence?
Post by No one
When your life takes a sorry turn, who are you going to call on?
The Blue Fairy. Accept her or perish.
El Kabong
2023-09-25 23:07:38 UTC
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Post by No one
Post by El Kabong
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Post by El Kabong
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Incorrect, as Jesus Is God manifested in flesh. the Bible speaks of
that.
And
how it was done in such a manner that the sinners around him would not
drop
dead in his presence.
You dearly want to believe that. You can't understand
that your desire is not convincing to a reasoned
audience.
There is no reason for a reasonable person to think the
bibles stories are true. You may believe as you will.
Reasonable is the standard of Man, not God.
I know you would prefer no standards.
Thank you for realizing Jesus failed some of the
prophecies in Isaiah.
He did not fail in anything. He is still being called Emmanuel to this day.
Yeah, it wasn't Jesus's idea to set him up as the
messiah, so it wasn't his fail. It was Paul and the
gospel writers who rewrote the story ex post facto, and
turned him into a messiah. They mostly succeeded, as
xtianity is thriving today, but the truth is out. So I
was partly wrong.
He was the prophesied Messiah and there were over 300 prophecies about him
his birth, life. Etc. The odds of that happening a gazillions of times
greater than the theory of evolution.
So you were totally wrong.
You don't listen very well. You believe what you want. I
do not believe the bible. Nothing in it is reliable.
Did you read what I said above about the 300+ prophecies? They have been
Yes.

Did you read what I said about not believing any of it?

The gospels were written long after Jesus (and most
eyewitnesses) were gone. The gospel stories are
hyperbole, legend, and outright tall tales.
Post by No one
certified by many people and are provable via history, the fact that the
prophecies were given by various men who did not know each other as some were
dead 100's for years before or after the other prophets. You can chose to
ignore the truth of the matter but that will not disprove what has already
been proven my many people and done so mathematically as to the ODDS.
You make yourself look stupid when you argue against the proven.
Proven? LOL. There's no proof that Jesus even existed,
let alone that he fulfilled 300 prophecies. No, the
bible is not proof of anything, even the Vulgate.
No one
2023-09-26 01:01:11 UTC
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Post by El Kabong
Post by No one
Post by No one
Post by El Kabong
Post by No one
Post by El Kabong
Post by No one
Post by No one
Incorrect, as Jesus Is God manifested in flesh. the Bible speaks of
that.
And
how it was done in such a manner that the sinners around him would
not
drop
dead in his presence.
You dearly want to believe that. You can't understand
that your desire is not convincing to a reasoned
audience.
There is no reason for a reasonable person to think the
bibles stories are true. You may believe as you will.
Reasonable is the standard of Man, not God.
I know you would prefer no standards.
Thank you for realizing Jesus failed some of the
prophecies in Isaiah.
He did not fail in anything. He is still being called Emmanuel to this
day.
Yeah, it wasn't Jesus's idea to set him up as the
messiah, so it wasn't his fail. It was Paul and the
gospel writers who rewrote the story ex post facto, and
turned him into a messiah. They mostly succeeded, as
xtianity is thriving today, but the truth is out. So I
was partly wrong.
He was the prophesied Messiah and there were over 300 prophecies about him
his birth, life. Etc. The odds of that happening a gazillions of times
greater than the theory of evolution.
So you were totally wrong.
You don't listen very well. You believe what you want. I
do not believe the bible. Nothing in it is reliable.
Did you read what I said above about the 300+ prophecies? They have been
Yes.
Did you read what I said about not believing any of it?
The gospels were written long after Jesus (and most
eyewitnesses) were gone. The gospel stories are
hyperbole, legend, and outright tall tales.
Incorrect as they were written by eyewitnesses long before they died.

The prophecies were all written in the Old Testament hundreds to thousand
years before he was born.

Of course you can say what you want, just like you can describe an astronauts
going to the moon, and any evidence of that was seen after it happened, the
report on it after it happened and many people say that was a fraud as well.
Anyone here can say you don't exist either you are just a figment of AI. ;)
Post by El Kabong
Post by No one
certified by many people and are provable via history, the fact that the
prophecies were given by various men who did not know each other as some were
dead 100's for years before or after the other prophets. You can chose to
ignore the truth of the matter but that will not disprove what has already
been proven my many people and done so mathematically as to the ODDS.
You make yourself look stupid when you argue against the proven.
Proven? LOL. There's no proof that Jesus even existed,
let alone that he fulfilled 300 prophecies. No, the
bible is not proof of anything, even the Vulgate.
Who cares about the Vulgate? It is nothing but a modified copy written 300
years after the fact.
El Kabong
2023-09-26 03:15:30 UTC
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Post by El Kabong
Post by No one
Post by El Kabong
There is no reason for a reasonable person to think the
bibles stories are true. You may believe as you will.
Reasonable is the standard of Man, not God.
I know you would prefer no standards.
Thank you for realizing Jesus failed some of the
prophecies in Isaiah.
He did not fail in anything. He is still being called Emmanuel to this
day.
Yeah, it wasn't Jesus's idea to set him up as the
messiah, so it wasn't his fail. It was Paul and the
gospel writers who rewrote the story ex post facto, and
turned him into a messiah. They mostly succeeded, as
xtianity is thriving today, but the truth is out. So I
was partly wrong.
He was the prophesied Messiah and there were over 300 prophecies about him
his birth, life. Etc. The odds of that happening a gazillions of times
greater than the theory of evolution.
So you were totally wrong.
You don't listen very well. You believe what you want. I
do not believe the bible. Nothing in it is reliable.
Did you read what I said above about the 300+ prophecies? They have been
Yes.
Did you read what I said about not believing any of it?
The gospels were written long after Jesus (and most
eyewitnesses) were gone. The gospel stories are
hyperbole, legend, and outright tall tales.
Incorrect as they were written by eyewitnesses long before they died.
The gospels are all anonymous. No one knows who really
wrote them. They were probably written in the late 1st
or early 2nd century. By that time, the legend of Jesus
had outgrown whatever the historical facts were. The
legend probably outlived any eyewitnesses.

Do you not know that? Isn't it odd that a supposed
believer would have to learn that from an atheist?
Post by No one
The prophecies were all written in the Old Testament hundreds to thousand
years before he was born.
A few hundred years, not thousands. It appears the OT
wasn't put in writing until c. 7th century BCE.

HTH.
No one
2023-09-26 04:08:40 UTC
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Post by El Kabong
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Post by El Kabong
There is no reason for a reasonable person to think the
bibles stories are true. You may believe as you will.
Reasonable is the standard of Man, not God.
I know you would prefer no standards.
Thank you for realizing Jesus failed some of the
prophecies in Isaiah.
He did not fail in anything. He is still being called Emmanuel to this
day.
Yeah, it wasn't Jesus's idea to set him up as the
messiah, so it wasn't his fail. It was Paul and the
gospel writers who rewrote the story ex post facto, and
turned him into a messiah. They mostly succeeded, as
xtianity is thriving today, but the truth is out. So I
was partly wrong.
He was the prophesied Messiah and there were over 300 prophecies about
him
his birth, life. Etc. The odds of that happening a gazillions of times
greater than the theory of evolution.
So you were totally wrong.
You don't listen very well. You believe what you want. I
do not believe the bible. Nothing in it is reliable.
Did you read what I said above about the 300+ prophecies? They have been
Yes.
Did you read what I said about not believing any of it?
The gospels were written long after Jesus (and most
eyewitnesses) were gone. The gospel stories are
hyperbole, legend, and outright tall tales.
Incorrect as they were written by eyewitnesses long before they died.
The gospels are all anonymous. No one knows who really
wrote them. They were probably written in the late 1st
or early 2nd century. By that time, the legend of Jesus
had outgrown whatever the historical facts were. The
legend probably outlived any eyewitnesses.
Do you not know that? Isn't it odd that a supposed
believer would have to learn that from an atheist?
You are incorrect, all the authors are identified. I knew that as a child,
guess you have a lot to learn.
Post by No one
The prophecies were all written in the Old Testament hundreds to thousand
years before he was born.
A few hundred years, not thousands. It appears the OT
wasn't put in writing until c. 7th century BCE.
Good grief, you are so far off in timing that it isn't even funny.
HTH.
I can do all things thru Christ that strengthens me.
McLoon
2023-09-26 12:46:52 UTC
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Post by El Kabong
Proven? LOL. There's no proof that Jesus even existed,
let alone that he fulfilled 300 prophecies. No, the
bible is not proof of anything, even the Vulgate.
There is 10x more proof for the existence of Jesus than for the
existence of Augustus Caesar.

Sometimes you seem to have a wit and then you ruin the notion.
El Kabong
2023-09-26 20:13:15 UTC
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Post by McLoon
On Mon, 25 Sep 2023 16:07:38 -0700
Post by El Kabong
Proven? LOL. There's no proof that Jesus even existed,
let alone that he fulfilled 300 prophecies. No, the
bible is not proof of anything, even the Vulgate.
There is 10x more proof for the existence of Jesus than for the
existence of Augustus Caesar.
Sometimes you seem to have a wit and then you ruin the notion.
Jesus was probably a real person, but he wasn't anything
like the Jesus in the gospels. There is no reliable
evidence to corroborate the gospels.

Augustus Caesar is well documented. He is mentioned in
the gospels as well, and his face was on coins. As you
know, no coins had Jesus's image.

tesla sTinker ofm minim
2023-09-17 17:45:39 UTC
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On Fri, 4 Aug 2023 11:07:26 +1000, "Andrew W"
reproduce.>These were humanoid. Their craft were made of metal
and
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emitted fire and>bright lights. They were extraterrestrials.In
the
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Bible, aliens were to be treated justly and fairly. Ezekiel
22:7--
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http://khanya.wordpress.comFor information about why
crossposting > > > is
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(usually) good, and multiposting (nearly always) bad,
see:http://oakroadsystems.com/genl/unice.htm#xpost
It's not aliens, your book is corrupt. It does not say metal,
not to mention the rest of the wrong things your book
says???
Shutup about your bible already! I'd wager that it is no more
accurate
Post by Rod
than many other bibles.
If you are not native to the Hebrew language then something is always
lost in translation.
somewhat, if your not professional in Hebrew as Saint Jerome was.
He knew how to translate words in a limited sense, But it was a dead language
ATT
He
knew several languages very well. Is translation to latin was the best
language to translate several differ languages into the one, as a
conversion technique. He had to choose one,
However, he did not know English, nor did he write the translation you use.
The monks of his day pointed out the errors and disagreements with his
writings. They were ashamed of his drinking skills as well as living with two
women, neither of whom were related to him.
That he was educated is true. Yet he was always in conflict with those in the
RCC.
But as in all dictionarys,
words change, because people change them. IT does not make it correct
when this happens, and that is why the New Douay Rheims version that the
Vatican II has published of NOVUS ORDO, is totaly forbidden by the true
catholic church, and we do not give a dam what they claim about it, or
us doing so.
Anyone who prays to Mary is not of God. There is only one way, one path to
the Heavenly Father.
If the "Heavenly Father" wasn't so jealous and vengeful and capricious
then people wouldn't need to turn to a motherly figure.
Why does Protestantism damn motherly figures? Do you snub your mother?
Protestantism has gone a bit crazy with patriarchy.
Christianity is a polytheistic religion. It changed from monotheism
to polytheism after Eusebius forged that phrase about Christ being
more than a man.
The religion has been thru a great many changes. It began as worship of
the Universe as the Creator while the Anakim, Nephalim and Rephaim
were still on the earth and as time move along it gathered up the
elements of star worship in Mesopotamia, took on elements of Pharoh
worship because of Osirus in Egypt to morph into Atun worship(The Sun)
to morph yet again into monotheism as it made it's way out of Egypt
and into Canaan to finally morph into the Mithra duplicate that we have
had since the birth of Christ and the 3 headed God.
It will change again, there beliefs seem to shift when a new idea
comes along disguised as a revelation from God.
this is just more bs.

for what you say is not true at all. God said, there would be a true
church, and for you to say anything like this, is a lie.

this is what is polytheism , it is not Christian. A Christian

polytheism
Polytheism true Catholic Encyclopedia define says this, antichrist...
See where the period is after many gods. ? That, is what it is.
Period. I only believe in one God, and He is true. there are no other
God's, He is it.

The belief in, and consequent worship of, many gods. See the various
articles on national religions such as the Assyrian, Babylonian, Hindu,
and the ancient religions of Egypt, Greece, and Rome; see also ANIMISM,
FETISHISM, TOTEMISM, GOD, MONOTHEISM, PANTHEISM, etc.
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reproduce.>These were humanoid. Their craft were made of metal
and
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emitted fire and>bright lights. They were extraterrestrials.In
the
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Bible, aliens were to be treated justly and fairly. Ezekiel
22:7--
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It's not aliens, your book is corrupt. It does not say metal,
not to mention the rest of the wrong things your book
says???
Shutup about your bible already! I'd wager that it is no more
accurate
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than many other bibles.
If you are not native to the Hebrew language then something is
always
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lost in translation.
somewhat, if your not professional in Hebrew as Saint Jerome was.
He knew how to translate words in a limited sense, But it was a dead language
ATT
He
knew several languages very well. Is translation to latin was the best
language to translate several differ languages into the one, as a
conversion technique. He had to choose one,
However, he did not know English, nor did he write the translation you use.
The monks of his day pointed out the errors and disagreements with his
writings. They were ashamed of his drinking skills as well as living with two
women, neither of whom were related to him.
That he was educated is true. Yet he was always in conflict with those in the
RCC.
But as in all dictionarys,
words change, because people change them. IT does not make it correct
when this happens, and that is why the New Douay Rheims version that the
Vatican II has published of NOVUS ORDO, is totaly forbidden by the true
catholic church, and we do not give a dam what they claim about it, or
us doing so.
Anyone who prays to Mary is not of God. There is only one way, one path to
the Heavenly Father.
If the "Heavenly Father" wasn't so jealous and vengeful and capricious
then people wouldn't need to turn to a motherly figure.
Why does Protestantism damn motherly figures? Do you snub your mother?
Protestantism has gone a bit crazy with patriarchy.
Christianity is a polytheistic religion. It changed from monotheism
to polytheism after Eusebius forged that phrase about Christ being
more than a man.
The religion has been thru a great many changes. It began as worship of
the Universe as the Creator while the Anakim, Nephalim and Rephaim
were still on the earth and as time move along it gathered up the
elements of star worship in Mesopotamia, took on elements of Pharoh
worship because of Osirus in Egypt to morph into Atun worship(The Sun)
to morph yet again into monotheism as it made it's way out of Egypt
and into Canaan to finally morph into the Mithra duplicate that we have
had since the birth of Christ and the 3 headed God.
It will change again, there beliefs seem to shift when a new idea
comes along disguised as a revelation from God.
 this is just more bs.
for what you say is not true at all.  God said, there would be a true
church, and for you to say anything like this, is a lie.
I'll take the word of a scholar who has studied these ancient texts
over an asshole like you!

And the amazing thing is that you cannot prove them wrong, but go
ahead and be a fool.



by Acharya S/D.M. Murdock

When addressing the mythical nature of Jesus Christ, one issue
repeatedly raised is the purported “evidence” of his existence to be
found in the writings of Flavius Josephus, the famed Jewish general and
historian who lived from about 37 to 100 CE. In Josephus’s Antiquities
of the Jews appears the notorious passage regarding Christ called the
“Testimonium Flavianum” (“TF”):

“Now, there was about this time, Jesus, a wise man, if it be lawful
to call him a man, for he was a doer of wonderful works,–a teacher of
such men as receive the truth with pleasure. He drew over to him both
many of the Jews, and many of the Gentiles. He was [the] Christ; and
when Pilate, at the suggestion of the principal men amongst us, had
condemned him to the cross, those that loved him at the first did not
forsake him, for he appeared to them alive again the third day, as the
divine prophets had foretold these and ten thousand other wonderful
things concerning him; and the tribe of Christians, so named from him,
are not extinct at this day.” (Whitson, 379)

This surprisingly brief and simplistic passage constitutes the “best
proof” of Jesus’s existence in the entire ancient non-Christian library
comprising the works of dozens of historians, writers, philosophers,
politicians and others who never mentioned the great sage and
wonderworker Jesus Christ, even though they lived contemporaneously with
or shortly after the Christian savior’s purported advent.
A False Witness

eusebius church historian catholic image

Despite the best wishes of sincere believers and the erroneous claims of
truculent apologists, the Testimonium Flavianum has been demonstrated
continually over the centuries to be a forgery, likely interpolated by
Catholic Church historian Eusebius in the fourth century. So thorough
and universal has been this debunking that very few scholars of repute
continued to cite the passage after the turn of the 19th century.
Indeed, the TF was rarely mentioned, except to note that it was a
forgery, and numerous books by a variety of authorities over a period of
200 or so years basically took it for granted that the Testimonium
Flavianum in its entirety was spurious, an interpolation and a forgery.
As Dr. Gordon Stein relates:

“…the vast majority of scholars since the early 1800s have said
that this quotation is not by Josephus, but rather is a later Christian
insertion in his works. In other words, it is a forgery, rejected by
scholars.”

So well understood was this fact of forgery that these numerous
authorities did not spend their precious time and space rehashing the
arguments against the TF’s authenticity. Nevertheless, in the past few
decades apologists of questionable integrity and credibility have
glommed onto the TF, because this short and dubious passage represents
the most “concrete” secular, non-biblical reference to a man who
purportedly shook up the world. In spite of the past debunking, the
debate is currently confined to those who think the TF was original to
Josephus but was Christianized, and those who credulously and
self-servingly accept it as “genuine” in its entirety.

To repeat, this passage was so completely dissected by scholars of high
repute and standing–the majority of them pious Christians–that it was
for decades understood by subsequent scholars as having been proved in
toto a forgery, such that these succeeding scholars did not even mention
it, unless to acknowledge it as false. (In addition to being
repetitious, numerous quotes will be presented here, because a strong
show of rational consensus is desperately needed when it comes to
matters of blind, unscientific and irrational faith.) The scholars who
so conclusively proved the TF a forgery made their mark at the end of
the 18th century and into the 20th, when a sudden reversal was
implemented, with popular opinion hemming and hawing its way back first
to the “partial interpolation theory” and in recent times, among the
third-rate apologists, to the notion that the whole TF is “genuine.” As
Earl Doherty says, in “Josephus Unbound”:

“Now, it is a curious fact that older generations of scholars had
no trouble dismissing this entire passage as a Christian construction.
Charles Guignebert, for example, in his Jesus (1956, p.17), calls it ‘a
pure Christian forgery.’ Before him, Lardner, Harnack and Schurer, along
with others, declared it entirely spurious. Today, most serious scholars
have decided the passage is a mix: original parts rubbing shoulders with
later Christian additions.”

Bishop Rev. Nathaniel Lardner image

The earlier scholarship that proved the entire TF to be fraudulent was
determined by intense scrutiny by some of the most erudite, and mainly
Christian, writers of the time, in a number of countries, their works
written in a variety of languages, but particularly German, French and
English. Their general conclusions, as elucidated by Christian authority
Dr. Lardner, and related here by the author of Christian Mythology
Unveiled (c. 1842), include the following reasons for doubting the
authenticity of the TF as a whole:

“Mattathias, the father of Josephus, must have been a witness to
the miracles which are said to have been performed by Jesus, and
Josephus was born within two years after the crucifixion, yet in all the
works he says nothing whatever about the life or death of Jesus Christ;
as for the interpolated passage it is now universally acknowledged to be
a forgery. The arguments of the ‘Christian Ajax,’ even Lardner himself,
against it are these: ‘It was never quoted by any of our Christian
ancestors before Eusebius. It disturbs the narrative. The language is
quite Christian. It is not quoted by Chrysostom, though he often refers
to Josephus, and could not have omitted quoting it had it been then in
the text. It is not quoted by Photius [9th century], though he has three
articles concerning Josephus; and this author expressly states that this
historian has not taken the least notice of Christ. Neither Justin
Martyr, in his dialogue with Trypho the Jew; nor Clemens Alexandrinus,
who made so many extracts from ancient authors; nor Origen against
Celsus, have ever mentioned this testimony. But, on the contrary, in
chap. 25th of the first book of that work, Origen openly affirms that
Josephus, who had mentioned John the Baptist, did not acknowledge
Christ. That this passage is a false fabrication is admitted by
Ittigius, Blondel, Le Clerc, Vandale, Bishop Warburton, and Tanaquil
Faber.'” (CMU, 47)

Hence, by the 1840’s, when the anonymous author of Christian Mythology
Unveiled wrote, the Testimonium Flavanium was already “universally
acknowledged to be a forgery.”

Origen church father

The pertinent remarks by the highly significant Church father Origen (c.
185-c.254) appear in his Contra Celsus, Book I, Chapter XLVII:

“For in the 18th book of his Antiquities of the Jews, Josephus
bears witness to John as having been a Baptist, and as promising
purification to those who underwent the rite. Now this writer, although
not believing in Jesus as the Christ, in seeking after the cause of the
fall of Jerusalem and the destruction of the temple, whereas he ought to
have said that the conspiracy against Jesus was the cause of these
calamities befalling the people, since they put to death Christ, who was
a prophet, says nevertheless–being, although against his will, not far
from the truth–that these disasters happened to the Jews as a punishment
for the death of James the Just, who was a brother of Jesus (called
Christ)–the Jews having put him to death, although he was a man most
distinguished for his justice” (Emphasis added)

Here, in Origen’s words, is the assertion that Josephus, who discusses
more than a dozen Jesuses, did not consider any of them to be “the
Christ.” This fact proves that the same phrase in the TF is spurious.
Furthermore, Origen does not even intimate the presence of the rest of
the TF. Concerning Origen and the TF, Arthur Drews relates in Witnesses
to the Historicity of Jesus:

“In the edition of Origen published by the Benedictines it is said
that there was no mention of Jesus at all in Josephus before the time of
Eusebius [c. 300 ce]. Moreover, in the sixteenth century Vossius had a
manuscript of the text of Josephus in which there was not a word about
Jesus. It seems, therefore, that the passage must have been an
interpolation, whether it was subsequently modified or not.” (Drews, 9;
emph. added)

According to the author of Christian Mythology Unveiled (“CMU”), this
Vossius mentioned by a number of writers as having possessed a copy of
Josephus’s Antiquities lacking the TF is “I. Vossius,” whose works
appeared in Latin. Unfortunately, none of these writers includes a
citation as to where exactly the assertion may be found in Vossius’s
works. Moreover, the Vossius in question seems to be Gerardus, rather
than his son, Isaac, who was born in the seventeenth century.
Church Fathers Ignorant of Josephus Passage

In any event, as G.A. Wells points out in The Jesus Myth, not only do
several Church fathers from the second, third and early fourth centuries
have no apparent knowledge of the TF, but even after Eusebius suddenly
“found” it in the first half of the fourth century, several other
fathers into the fifth “often cite Josephus, but not this passage.”
(Wells, JM, 202) In the 5th century, Church father Jerome (c. 347-c.419)
cited the TF once, with obvious disinterest, as if he knew it was
fraudulent. In addition to his reference to the TF, in his Letter XXII.
to Eustochium, Jerome made the following audacious claim:

“Josephus, himself a Jewish writer, asserts that at the Lord’s
crucifixion there broke from the temple voices of heavenly powers,
saying: ‘Let us depart hence.'”

Saint Jerome image

Either Jerome fabricated this alleged Josephus quote, or he possessed a
unique copy of the Jewish historian’s works, in which this assertion had
earlier been interpolated. In any case, Jerome’s claim constitutes
“pious fraud,” one of many committed by Christian proponents over the
centuries, a rampant practice, in fact, that must be kept in mind when
considering the authenticity of the TF.

Following is a list of important Christian authorities who studied
and/or mentioned Josephus but not the Jesus passage:

Justin Martyr (c. 100-c. 165), who obviously pored over Josephus’s
works, makes no mention of the TF.
Theophilus (d. 180), Bishop of Antioch–no mention of the TF.
Irenaeus (c. 120/140-c. 200/203), saint and compiler of the New
Testament, has not a word about the TF.
Clement of Alexandria (c. 150-211/215), influential Greek
theologian and prolific Christian writer, head of the Alexandrian
school, says nothing about the TF.
Origen (c. 185-c. 254), no mention of the TF and specifically
states that Josephus did not believe Jesus was “the Christ.”
Hippolytus (c. 170-c. 235), saint and martyr, nothing about the TF.
The author of the ancient Syriac text, “History of Armenia,” refers
to Josephus but not the TF.
Minucius Felix (d. c. 250), lawyer and Christian convert–no mention
of the TF.
Anatolius (230-c. 270/280)–no mention of TF.
Chrysostom (c. 347-407), saint and Syrian prelate, not a word about
the TF.
Methodius, saint of the 9th century–even at this late date there
were apparently copies of Josephus without the TF, as Methodius makes no
mention of it.
Photius (c. 820-891), Patriarch of Constantinople, not a word about
the TF, again indicating copies of Josephus devoid of the passage, or,
perhaps, a rejection of it because it was understood to be fraudulent.

Arguments Against Authenticity Further Elucidated

When the evidence is scientifically examined, it becomes clear that the
entire Josephus passage regarding Jesus was forged, likely by Church
historian Eusebius, during the fourth century. In “Who on Earth was
Jesus Christ?” David Taylor details the reasons why the TF in toto must
be deemed a forgery, most of which arguments, again, were put forth by
Dr. Lardner:

“It was not quoted or referred to by any Christian apologists prior
to Eusebius, c. 316 ad.
“Nowhere else in his voluminous works does Josephus use the word
‘Christ,’ except in the passage which refers to James ‘the brother of
Jesus who was called Christ’ (Antiquities of the Jews, Book 20, Chapter
9, Paragraph 1), which is also considered to be a forgery.
“Since Josephus was not a Christian but an orthodox Jew, it is
impossible that he should have believed or written that Jesus was the
Christ or used the words ‘if it be lawful to call him a man,’ which
imply the Christian belief in Jesus’ divinity.
“The extraordinary character of the things related in the
passage–of a man who is apparently more than a man, and who rose from
the grave after being dead for three days–demanded a more extensive
treatment by Josephus, which would undoubtedly have been forthcoming if
he had been its author.
“The passage interrupts the narrative, which would flow more
naturally if the passage were left out entirely.
“It is not quoted by Chrysostom (c. 354-407 ad) even though he
often refers to Josephus in his voluminous writings.
“It is not quoted by Photius, Patriarch of Constantinople (c.
858-886 ad) even though he wrote three articles concerning Josephus,
which strongly implies that his copy of Josephus’ Antiquities did not
contain the passage.
“Neither Justin Martyr (110-165 AD), nor Clement of Alexandria
(153-217 ad), nor Origen (c.185-254 AD), who all made extensive
reference to ancient authors in their defence of Christianity, has
mentioned this supposed testimony of Josephus.
“Origen, in his treatise Against Celsus, Book 1, Chapter 47, states
categorically that Josephus did NOT believe that Jesus was the Christ.
“This is the only reference to the Christians in the works of
Josephus. If it were genuine, we would have expected him to have given
us a fuller account of them somewhere.”

When the earliest Greek texts are analyzed, it is obvious that the
Testimonium Flavianum interrupts the flow of the primary material and
that the style of the language is different from that of Josephus. There
is other evidence that the TF never appeared in the original Josephus.
As Wells says:

“As I noted in The Jesus Legend, there is an ancient table of
contents in the Antiquities which omits all mention of the Testimonium.
Feldman (in Feldman and Hata, 1987, p. 57) says that this table is
already mentioned in the fifth- or sixth-century Latin version of the
Antiquities, and he finds it ‘hard to believe that such a remarkable
passage would be omitted by anyone, let alone by a Christian summarizing
the work.'” (Wells, JM, 201)

Flavius Josephus image

Also, Josephus goes into long detail about the lives of numerous
personages of relatively little import, including several Jesuses. It is
inconceivable that he would devote only a few sentences to someone even
remotely resembling the character found in the New Testament. If the
gospel tale constituted “history,” Josephus’s elders would certainly be
aware of Jesus’s purported assault on the temple, for example, and the
historian, who was obviously interested in instances of messianic
agitation, would surely have reported it, in detail. Moreover, the TF
refers to Jesus as a “wise man”–this phrase is used by Josephus in
regard to only two other people, out of hundreds, i.e., the patriarchs
Joseph and Solomon. If Josephus had thought so highly of an historical
Jesus, he surely would have written more extensively about him. Yet, he
does not. Lest it be suggested that Josephus somehow could have been
ignorant of the events in question, the Catholic Encyclopedia (“Flavius
Josephus”) says:

“… Josephus…was chosen by the Sanhedrin at Jerusalem to be
commander-in-chief in Galilee. As such he established in every city
throughout the country a council of judges, the members of which were
recruited from those who shared his political views.”

Indeed, Josephus was a well-educated Jew who lived in the precise area
where the gospel tale was said to have taken place, as did his parents,
the latter at the very time of Christ’s alleged advent. It was
Josephus’s passion to study the Jewish people and their history; yet,
other than the obviously bogus TF, and the brief “James passage”
mentioned by Taylor above, it turns out that in his voluminous works
Josephus discussed neither Christ nor Christianity. Nor does it make any
sense that the prolific Jewish writer would not detail the Christian
movement itself, were Christians extant at the time in any significant
numbers.

The Catholic Encyclopedia (CE), which tries to hedge its bet about the
Josephus passage, is nevertheless forced to admit: “The passage seems to
suffer from repeated interpolations.” In the same entry, CE also
confirms that Josephus’s writings were used extensively by the early
Christian fathers, such as Jerome, Ambrose and Chrystostom;
nevertheless, as noted, except for Jerome, they never mention the TF.

Regarding the TF, as well as the James passage, which possesses the
phrase James, the brother of Jesus, who was called Christ, Jewish writer
ben Yehoshua makes some interesting assertions:

“Neither of these passages is found in the original version of the
Jewish Antiquities which was preserved by the Jews. The first passage
(XVII, 3, 3) was quoted by Eusebius writing in c. 320 C.E., so we can
conclude that it was added in some time between the time Christians got
hold of the Jewish Antiquities and c. 320 C.E. It is not known when the
other passage (XX, 9, 1) was added… Neither passage is based on any
reliable sources. It is fraudulent to claim that these passages were
written by Josephus and that they provide evidence for Jesus. They were
written by Christian redactors and were based purely on Christian belief.”

Gerardus Vossius image

Yehoshua claims that the 12th century historian Gerald of Wales related
that a “Master Robert of the Priory of St. Frideswide at Oxford examined
many Hebrew copies of Josephus and did not find the ‘testimony about
Christ,’ except for two manuscripts where it appeared [to Robert,
evidently] that the testimony had been present but scratched out.”
Yehoshua states that, since “scratching out” requires the removal of the
top layers, the deleted areas in these mere two of the many copies
likely did not provide any solid evidence that it was the TF that had
been removed. Apologists will no doubt insist that these Hebrew texts
are late copies and that Jewish authorities had the TF removed. This
accusation of mutilating an author’s work, of course, can easily be
turned around on the Christians. Also, considering that Vossius
purportedly possessed a copy of the Antiquities without the TF, it is
quite possible that there were “many Hebrew copies” likewise devoid of
the passage.
Higher Criticism by Christian Authorities

The many reasons for concluding the Josephus passage to be a forgery
have been expounded upon by numerous well-respected authorities, so much
so that such individuals have been compelled by honesty and integrity to
dismiss the Testimonium in toto as a forgery. In The Christ, John
Remsburg relates the opinions of critics of the TF from the past couple
of centuries, the majority of whom were Christian authorities, including
and especially Dr. Lardner, who said:

“A testimony so favorable to Jesus in the works of Josephus, who lived
so soon after our Savior, who was so well acquainted with the
transactions of his own country, who had received so many favors from
Vespasian and Titus, would not be overlooked or neglected by any
Christian apologist (Lardner’s Works, vol. I, chap. iv).”

Yet, the TF was overlooked and neglected by early Christian writers. In
other words, they never cited it because it didn’t exist.

Bishop William Warburton image

Another authority, Bishop Warburton, called the TF a “rank forgery, and
a very stupid one, too.” Remsburg further related the words of the “Rev.
Dr. Giles, of the Established Church of England,” who stated:

“Those who are best acquainted with the character of Josephus, and
the style of his writings, have no hesitation in condemning this passage
as a forgery, interpolated in the text during the third century by some
pious Christian, who was scandalized that so famous a writer as Josephus
should have taken no notice of the gospels, or of Christ, their subject….”

In addition, the Rev. S. Baring-Gould remarked:

“This passage is first quoted by Eusebius (fl. A.D. 315) in two
places (Hist. Eccl., lib. I, c. xi; Demonst. Evang., lib. iii); but it
was unknown to Justin Martyr (fl. A.D. 140), Clement of Alexandria (fl.
A.D. 192), Tertullian (fl. A.D. 193), and Origen (fl. A.D. 230). Such a
testimony would certainly have been produced by Justin in his apology or
in his controversy with Trypho the Jew, had it existed in the copies of
Josephus at his time. The silence of Origen is still more significant.
Celsus, in his book against Christianity, introduces a Jew. Origen
attacks the argument of Celsus and his Jew. He could not have failed to
quote the words of Josephus, whose writings he knew, had the passage
existed in the genuine text. He, indeed, distinctly affirms that
Josephus did not believe in Christ (Contr. Cels. I).”

Remsburg also recounts:

“Cannon Farrar, who has written an ablest Christian life of Christ
yet penned, repudiates it. He says: ‘The single passage in which he
[Josephus] alludes to him is interpolated, if not wholly spurious’ (Life
of Christ, Vol. I, p. 46).

“The following, from Dr. Farrar’s pen, is to be found in the
Encyclopedia Britannica: ‘That Josephus wrote the whole passage as it
now stands no sane critic can believe.'”

And so on, with similar opinions by Christian scholars such as Theodor
Keim, Rev. Dr. Hooykaas and Dr. Alexander Campbell. By the time of Dr.
Chalmers and others, the TF had been so discredited that these
authorities understood it as a forgery in toto and did not even consider
it for a moment as “evidence” of Jesus’s existence and/or divinity. In
fact, these subsequent defenders of the faith, knowing the TF to be a
forgery, repeatedly commented on how disturbing it was that Josephus did
not mention Jesus.

In the modern apologist work The Case for Christ, Lee Strobel relates a
passage from a novel published in 1979 by Charles Templeton, in which
the author states, regarding Jesus, “There isn’t a single word about him
in secular history. Not a word. No mention of him by the Romans. Not so
much as a reference by Josephus.” (Strobel, 101) Strobel then reports
the response by Christian professor Edwin Yamauchi, who claimed that
Templeton was mistaken and that there was a reference to Jesus by
Josephus. Yamauchi’s fatuous response ignores, purposefully or
otherwise, the previous ironclad arguments about which Templeton was
apparently educated, such that he made such a statement. In other words,
Templeton was evidently aware of the purported reference in Josephus but
had understood by the arguments of the more erudite, earlier Christian
authorities that it was a forgery; hence, there is “not so much as a
reference by Josephus.” In this facile manner of merely ignoring or
dismissing the earlier scholarship, modern believers cling to the
long-dismissed TF in order to convince themselves of the unbelievable.

For a more modern criticism, in The Jesus Puzzle and his online article
“Josephus Unbound,” secularist and classicist Earl Doherty leaves no
stone unturned in demolishing the TF, permitting no squirming room for
future apologists, whose resort to the TF will show, as it has done in
the past, how hopeless is their plight in establishing an “historical
Jesus.” Concerning the use of Josephus as “evidence” of Jesus’s
existence, Doherty remarks:

“[I]n the absence of any other supporting evidence from the first
century that in fact the Jesus of Nazareth portrayed in the Gospels
clearly existed, Josephus becomes the slender thread by which such an
assumption hangs. And the sound and fury and desperate manoeuverings
which surround the dissection of those two little passages becomes a din
of astonishing proportions. The obsessive focus on this one uncertain
record is necessitated by the fact that the rest of the evidence is so
dismal, so contrary to the orthodox picture. If almost everything
outside Josephus points in a different direction, to the essential
fiction of the Gospel picture and its central figure, how can Josephus
be made to bear on his shoulders, through two passages whose reliability
has thus far remained unsettled, the counterweight to all this other
negative evidence?”

Other modern authors who criticize the TF include The Jesus Mysteries
authors Freke and Gandy, who conclude:

“Unable to provide any historical evidence for Jesus, later
Christians forged the proof that they so badly needed to shore up their
Literalist interpretation of the gospels. This, as we would see
repeatedly, was a common practice.” (Freke and Gandy, 137)

Despite the desperate din, a number of other modern writers remain in
concurrence with the earlier scholarship and likewise consider the TF in
toto a fraud.
The Suspect: Eusebius (c. 264-340)

Eusebius church father catholic historian image

In addition to acknowledging the spuriousness of the Josephus passage,
many authorities quoted here agreed with the obvious: Church historian
Eusebius was the forger of the entire Testimonium Flavianium. Various
reasons have already been given for making such a conclusion. In “Did
Jesus Really Live?” Marshall Gauvin remarks:

“Everything demonstrates the spurious character of the passage. It
is written in the style of Eusebius, and not in the style of Josephus.
Josephus was a voluminous writer. He wrote extensively about men of
minor importance. The brevity of this reference to Christ is, therefore,
a strong argument for its falsity. This passage interrupts the
narrative. It has nothing to do with what precedes or what follows it;
and its position clearly shows that the text of the historian has been
separated by a later hand to give it room.”

Regarding the absence of the TF in the writings of earlier Christian
fathers and its sudden appearance with Eusebius, CMU says:

“it has been observed that the famous passage which we find in
Josephus, about Jesus Christ, was never mentioned or alluded to in any
way whatever by any of the fathers of the first, second, or third
centuries; nor until the time of Eusebius, ‘when it was first quoted by
himself [sic].’ The truth is, none of these fathers could quote or
allude to a passage which did not exist in their times; but was to all
points short of absolutely certain, forged and interpolated by Eusebius,
as suggested by Gibbon and others. Even the redoubtable Lardner has
pronounced this passage to be a forgery.” (CMU, 79-80)

Moreover, the word “tribe” in the TF is another clue that the passage
was forged by Eusebius, who is fond of the word, while Josephus uses it
only in terms of ethnicity, never when describing a religious sect.
Kerry Shirts adds to this particular point:

“Eusebius studied Josephus diligently, and could thus masquerade as
he, except when he used the word ‘tribe’ to describe the Christians. All
the literature from the Ante-Nicene Fathers show they never used the
word ‘tribe’ or ‘race’ with reference to the Christians, was [sic]
either by the Fathers or when they quoted non-Christian writers.
Tertullian, Pliny the Younger, Trajan, Rufinus–none use ‘tribe’ to refer
to Christians. Eusebius is the first to start the practice.”

In Antiqua Mater: A Study of Christian Origins, Edwin Johnson remarked
that the fourth century was “the great age of literary forgery, the
extent of which has yet to be exposed.” He further commented that “not
until the mass of inventions labelled ‘Eusebius’ shall be exposed, can
the pretended references to Christians in Pagan writers of the first
three centuries be recognized for the forgeries they are.” Indeed,
Eusebius’s character has been assailed repeatedly over the centuries,
with him being called a “luminous liar” and “unreliable.” Like so many
others, Drews likewise criticizes Eusebius, stating that various of the
Church historian’s references “must be regarded with the greatest
suspicion.” As Drews relates, Swiss historian Jakob Burckhardt
(1818-1897) declared Eusebius to be “the first thoroughly dishonest
historian of antiquity.” (Drews, 32/fn) Eusebius’s motives were to
empower the Catholic Church, and he did not fail to use “falsifications,
suppressions, and fictions” to this end.
Conclusion: Josephus No Evidence of Jesus

Even if the Josephus passage were authentic, which we have essentially
proved it not to be, it nevertheless would represent not an eyewitness
account but rather a tradition passed along for at least six decades,
long after the purported events. Hence, the TF would possess little if
any value in establishing an “historical” Jesus. In any event, it is
quite clear that the entire passage in Josephus regarding Christ, the
Testimonium Flavianum, is spurious, false and a forgery. Regarding the
TF, Remsburg summarizes:

“For nearly sixteen hundred years Christians have been citing this
passage as a testimonial, not merely to the historical existence, but to
the divine character of Jesus Christ. And yet a ranker forgery was never
penned….

“Its brevity disproves its authenticity. Josephus’ work is
voluminous and exhaustive. It comprises twenty books. Whole pages are
devoted to petty robbers and obscure seditious leaders. Nearly forty
chapters are devoted to the life of a single king. Yet this remarkable
being, the greatest product of his race, a being of whom the prophets
foretold ten thousand wonderful things, a being greater than any earthly
king, is dismissed with a dozen lines….”

The dismissal of the passage in Josephus regarding Jesus is not based on
“faith” or “belief” but on intense scientific scrutiny and reasoning.
Such investigation has been confirmed repeatedly by numerous scholars
who were mostly Christian. The Testimonium Flavianum, Dr. Lardner
concluded in none too forceful words, “ought, therefore…to be discarded
from any place among the evidences of Christianity.” With such
outstanding authority and so many scientific reasons, we can at last
dispense with the pretentious charade of wondering if the infamous
passage in the writings of Josephus called the Testimonium Flavianum is
forged and who fabricated it.

Excerpted from Suns of God: Krishna, Buddha and Christ Unveiled by
Acharya S.

Sources:

Anonymous, Christian Mythology Unveiled, 1842
ben Yehoshua, mama.indstate.edu/users/nizrael/jesusrefutation.html
Catholic Encyclopedia, “Flavius Josephus,”
www.newadvent.org/cathen/08522a.htm
Charlesworth, James H.,
www.mystae.com/restricted/reflections/messiah/sources.html
Doherty, Earl, pages.ca.inter.net/~oblio/supp10.htm
Doherty, Earl, The Jesus Puzzle, Canadian Humanist, Ottawa, 1999
Drews, Arthur, Witnesses to the Historicity of Jesus, Joseph McCabe,
tr., Watts, London, 1912
Freke, Timothy and Gandy, Peter, The Jesus Mysteries, Three Rivers, NY, 1999
Gauvin, Marshall,
www.infidels.org/library/historical/marshall_gauvin/did_jesus_really_live_/html
Jerome, www.ccel.org/fathers2/NPNF2-06/Npnf2-06-03.htm
Johnson, Edwin, Antiqua Mater: A Study of Christian Origins,
www.christianism.com/articles/1.html
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Kirby, Peter, home.earthlink.net/~kirby/xtianity/josephus.html
Origen, www.ccel.org/fathers2/ANF-04/anf04-55.htm
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Remsburg, John, The Christ, www.positiveatheism.org/hist/rmsbrg02.htm
Shirts, Kerry, www.cyberhighway.net/~shirtail/jesusand.htm
Stein, Dr. Gordon, www.infidels.org/library/modern/gordon_stein/jesus.html
Strobel, Lee, The Case for Christ, Zondervan, MI, 1998
Taylor, David, www.mmsweb.com/eykiw/relig/npref.txt
Wells, G.A., The Jesus Legend, Open Court, Chicago, 1997
Wells, G.A., The Jesus Myth, Open Court, Chicago, 1999
this is what is polytheism ,  it is not Christian. A Christian
polytheism
Polytheism    true Catholic Encyclopedia define says this, antichrist...
 See where the period is after many gods. ?  That, is what it is.
Period.  I only believe in one God, and He is true.   there are no other
God's,  He is it.
The belief in, and consequent worship of, many gods. See the various
articles on national religions such as the Assyrian, Babylonian, Hindu,
and the ancient religions of Egypt, Greece, and Rome; see also ANIMISM,
FETISHISM, TOTEMISM, GOD, MONOTHEISM, PANTHEISM, etc.
tesla sTinker ofm minim
2023-09-17 18:00:17 UTC
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reproduce.>These were humanoid. Their craft were made of metal
and
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emitted fire and>bright lights. They were extraterrestrials.In
the
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Bible, aliens were to be treated justly and fairly. Ezekiel
22:7--
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It's not aliens, your book is corrupt. It does not say metal,
not to mention the rest of the wrong things your book
says???
Shutup about your bible already! I'd wager that it is no more
accurate
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than many other bibles.
If you are not native to the Hebrew language then something is always
lost in translation.
somewhat, if your not professional in Hebrew as Saint Jerome was.
He knew how to translate words in a limited sense, But it was a dead language
ATT
He
knew several languages very well. Is translation to latin was the best
language to translate several differ languages into the one, as a
conversion technique. He had to choose one,
However, he did not know English, nor did he write the translation you use.
The monks of his day pointed out the errors and disagreements with his
writings. They were ashamed of his drinking skills as well as living with two
women, neither of whom were related to him.
That he was educated is true. Yet he was always in conflict with those in the
RCC.
But as in all dictionarys,
words change, because people change them. IT does not make it correct
when this happens, and that is why the New Douay Rheims version that the
Vatican II has published of NOVUS ORDO, is totaly forbidden by the true
catholic church, and we do not give a dam what they claim about it, or
us doing so.
Anyone who prays to Mary is not of God. There is only one way, one path to
the Heavenly Father.
If the "Heavenly Father" wasn't so jealous and vengeful and capricious
then people wouldn't need to turn to a motherly figure.
Why does Protestantism damn motherly figures? Do you snub your mother?
Protestantism has gone a bit crazy with patriarchy.
Christianity is a polytheistic religion. It changed from monotheism
to polytheism after Eusebius forged that phrase about Christ being
more than a man.
The religion has been thru a great many changes. It began as worship of
the Universe as the Creator while the Anakim, Nephalim and Rephaim
were still on the earth and as time move along it gathered up the
elements of star worship in Mesopotamia, took on elements of Pharoh
worship because of Osirus in Egypt to morph into Atun worship(The Sun)
to morph yet again into monotheism as it made it's way out of Egypt
and into Canaan to finally morph into the Mithra duplicate that we have
had since the birth of Christ and the 3 headed God.
It will change again, there beliefs seem to shift when a new idea
comes along disguised as a revelation from God.
Same set of books, Catholic Encyclopedia under the word

Christianity, \\

Is a long drawn out pile of shit, and under the 2nd section it says
this, same thing i had said, One God.

"The Apostles themselves were not fully Christians till they knew
through faith all that Christ was — their God and their Redeemer as well
as their Master."

that means one God. Master means God the Father, not just God the Son
and Holy Ghost.

and this is since written 1908 copyright, It does not change ass hole,
and it does never give in to a liar. especially one like you that
always has his pants down because you use bad books.
Andrew W
2023-08-16 05:44:38 UTC
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Angels (sons of God) don't need to reproduce.
These were humanoid. Their craft were made of metal and emitted fire and
bright lights. They were extraterrestrials.
In the Bible, aliens were to be treated justly and fairly.
Ezekiel 22:7
Even if they treat humans very badly??
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Woke: One who becomes awake to societal wrongs but blames all the wrong
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2023-08-16 08:22:37 UTC
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Angels (sons of God) don't need to reproduce.
These were humanoid. Their craft were made of metal and emitted fire and
bright lights. They were extraterrestrials.
In the Bible, aliens were to be treated justly and fairly.
Ezekiel 22:7
Even if they treat humans very badly??
If you mistreat humans while showing kindness to aliens, it implies a
disconnection from humanity. Consequently, you might find yourself
isolated from our species, destined to reside on Uranus. There, you
would share your life with extraterrestrial beings, becoming a part of
their collective and a recipient of their rough leaf pineapple plantation.

That is if they will accept you.

Apply now for acceptance to the Uranus Borg 'Resistance is Futile'
Judicatory or you might find yourself lost in space, even more so than
right now.




Michael Christ
--
Jesus is the everlasting Father, Jesus is God, Jesus is the Lord.

Rom 5:8 But God commendeth his love toward us, in that, while we were
YET sinners, Christ died for us.

Jeremiah 10:23 O LORD, I know that the way of man is not in himself: it
is not in man that walketh to direct his steps.

Psalms 53:1 The fool hath said in his heart, There is no God. Corrupt
are they, and have done abominable iniquity: there is none that doeth good.

Proverbs 12:15 The way of a fool is right in his own eyes: but he that
hearkeneth unto counsel is wise.

"To seek your own will is to seek your own glory."

"If God is not first in everything He is not first in anything."

"What makes the bible the truth? The resonance of God."

"All men were born sinners. Why? Because all men were born not loving
God with all their heart, soul, and mind. An abomination. Therefore,
sin is not what you do; it is what you are."

"Compromise will condemn you."

"There are no sinners in Christ Jesus."

"My sons are born of Me. In them is no darkness at all."

"You can't learn righteousness. Haven't you had enough time already to
know that?"

"The way of truth is the testimony of life."

"I merely speak the truth, what is revealed to me, and the cards fall
where God intends."

"Nothing that is produced is produced without first being faith."

"You can only find proof of God through faith because that is how we all
live, by faith."

"It is not what you do that matters, it is how you treat Me."

"Keep going forward. Forget about the past. Lift up your head, look
ahead."

"You cannot be free with guilt in your heart."

"Priority is everything."

"The truth doesn't need evidence, it is evidence."

"There is no greater possession a man has than his own will, to squander
it or to place it where it truly belongs."

"An atheist is a fool who thinks truth is found in living a lie."

"Saying "prove it" [as a foundation] is merely an ignorant straw man, to
an ignorant straw man."

"Wait, rest, be still, and know."

"No man can wash his own hands!!!"

"I find this in the Christianity religions: 'Nobody's perfect' they say,
and they use that as an excuse not to do what is perfect."

The Atheist: "They don't believe and put their faith in a Creator (the
obvious). So no evidence and proof is to be found!!"

"The world is the way it is because God can't compromise who He is."

"Man is not the centre of being."

"Man is incompatible with the natural world because of his sinful nature."

"And then the Lord said, "I see everything."

"Man has no greater idol than his own will."

"Where is God hiding? He isn't."

"If you don't keep all the scriptures, you can't keep any of them."

"You can't prove anything because everything depends on a person's
willingness to believe."

"Atheists are ultimately trying to be pointlessness, meaninglessness,
and purposelessness in their point, meaning, and purpose."

"The last day of creation will be the last day of time. God is always
full of hope."

"The veil of the temple was rent in twain, not to have a book pass
through it so that you could play God."

"A phylactery does not a heart for God make. Not back then, and not today."

"No one in heaven is better (or higher) than what makes it heaven. Such
is the love of God."

"The definition of an atheist: A man full of bluster and bullshit
pretending he is the meaning of life."

"Free will is not power; it is the choice that I allow; that choice is
still according to my power," says the Lord.

What does a fool do? A fool looks for a "nothing" in a "something" in
order to explain the existence of existence.

"Unless you do all because He is who He is, all your religion is in vain."

"Every man is subject to God; He judges every man, and He is reality.
 What a gift in a fallen world!"

"Love MUST be a choice or it is nothing but a law!"

"Why were all men born sinners? So that God could reveal Himself, so
that we would behold the glory of God, and that we should bring forth
the glory of God"

"God does not and will not arbitrate for any man to love Him! If God
isn't everything to you, He is nothing to you where the rubber meets the
road."

"It is the unforgivable sin not to love God with all your heart, soul,
and mind, because what do you have that is lasting? It is not so much
being punished, it is what you are left with."

"Love isn't worth anything without first a free will choice for God to
birth it in a man."

"The point of salvation: Desperation. Anything less than that is
self-righteousness."

"A sinner is not a believer in God, a sinner is a believer in sin."

"A piece of dirt is not the promised land; that is only a reflection.
The promised land is knowing Me, says the Lord."
Steve Hayes
2023-08-23 06:44:29 UTC
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Angels (sons of God) don't need to reproduce.
These were humanoid. Their craft were made of metal and emitted fire and
bright lights. They were extraterrestrials.
In the Bible, aliens were to be treated justly and fairly.
Ezekiel 22:7
Even if they treat humans very badly??
Now there's some good old-fashioned racism.

Nazis denied that Jews were human.

Europeans denied that Africans were human.

Denying that foreigners are human is a pretty poor excuse for treating
them badly.
--
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No one
2023-08-23 14:24:56 UTC
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Angels (sons of God) don't need to reproduce.
These were humanoid. Their craft were made of metal and emitted fire and
bright lights. They were extraterrestrials.
In the Bible, aliens were to be treated justly and fairly.
Ezekiel 22:7
Even if they treat humans very badly??
Now there's some good old-fashioned racism.
Nazis denied that Jews were human.
Europeans denied that Africans were human.
Denying that foreigners are human is a pretty poor excuse for treating
them badly.
Yet the RCC did not feel so in their dealings with natives. To such an extent
that they declared a doctrine on the matter.
Andrew W
2023-08-24 01:24:42 UTC
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Post by Andrew W
Angels (sons of God) don't need to reproduce.
These were humanoid. Their craft were made of metal and emitted fire and
bright lights. They were extraterrestrials.
In the Bible, aliens were to be treated justly and fairly.
Ezekiel 22:7
Even if they treat humans very badly??
Now there's some good old-fashioned racism.
Nazis denied that Jews were human.
Europeans denied that Africans were human.
Denying that foreigners are human is a pretty poor excuse for treating
them badly.
Wasn't this about aliens from other worlds?
--
Government is the problem. ~ Ronald Reagan

Woke: One who becomes awake to societal wrongs but blames all the wrong
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Rod
2023-08-24 13:51:28 UTC
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Angels (sons of God) don't need to reproduce.
These were humanoid. Their craft were made of metal and emitted fire and
bright lights. They were extraterrestrials.
In the Bible, aliens were to be treated justly and fairly.
Ezekiel 22:7
Even if they treat humans very badly??
Now there's some good old-fashioned racism.
Nazis denied that Jews were human.
Europeans denied that Africans were human.
Denying that foreigners are human is a pretty poor excuse for treating
them badly.
Wasn't this about aliens from other worlds?
It was...yet when some people get out of their comfort zone they
turn the conversation away from any subject that makes them nervous.
Andrew W
2023-08-25 00:48:13 UTC
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Angels (sons of God) don't need to reproduce.
These were humanoid. Their craft were made of metal and emitted fire and
bright lights. They were extraterrestrials.
In the Bible, aliens were to be treated justly and fairly.
Ezekiel 22:7
Even if they treat humans very badly??
Now there's some good old-fashioned racism.
Nazis denied that Jews were human.
Europeans denied that Africans were human.
Denying that foreigners are human is a pretty poor excuse for treating
them badly.
Wasn't this about aliens from other worlds?
It was...yet when some people get out of their comfort zone they
turn the conversation away from any subject that makes them nervous.
That's the sign of a cult.
--
Government is the problem. ~ Ronald Reagan

Woke: One who becomes awake to societal wrongs but blames all the wrong
things and people.

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Rod
2023-08-25 12:05:39 UTC
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Angels (sons of God) don't need to reproduce.
These were humanoid. Their craft were made of metal and emitted fire and
bright lights. They were extraterrestrials.
In the Bible, aliens were to be treated justly and fairly.
Ezekiel 22:7
Even if they treat humans very badly??
Now there's some good old-fashioned racism.
Nazis denied that Jews were human.
Europeans denied that Africans were human.
Denying that foreigners are human is a pretty poor excuse for treating
them badly.
Wasn't this about aliens from other worlds?
   It was...yet when some people get out of their comfort zone they
   turn the conversation away from any subject that makes them nervous.
That's the sign of a cult.
It's a sign of mental illness.
Steve Hayes
2023-09-07 08:08:11 UTC
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In the Bible, aliens were to be treated justly and fairly.
Ezekiel 22:7
Even if they treat humans very badly??
Now there's some good old-fashioned racism.
Nazis denied that Jews were human.
Europeans denied that Africans were human.
Denying that foreigners are human is a pretty poor excuse for treating
them badly.
Wasn't this about aliens from other worlds?
According to the subject line, it's about aliens in the Bible.
--
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2023-09-08 01:40:14 UTC
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In the Bible, aliens were to be treated justly and fairly.
Ezekiel 22:7
Even if they treat humans very badly??
Now there's some good old-fashioned racism.
Nazis denied that Jews were human.
Europeans denied that Africans were human.
Denying that foreigners are human is a pretty poor excuse for treating
them badly.
Wasn't this about aliens from other worlds?
According to the subject line, it's about aliens in the Bible.
That's a non answer. So you don't know what kind of aliens this is about.
--
Government is the problem. ~ Ronald Reagan

Woke: One who becomes awake to societal wrongs but blames all the wrong
things and people.

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2023-09-24 10:39:31 UTC
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Wasn't this about aliens from other worlds?
According to the subject line, it's about aliens in the Bible.
That's a non answer. So you don't know what kind of aliens this is about.
For your answer, read the subject line. It says, quite clearly,
"Aliens in the Bible"

Ezekiel 22:7 reads: "Within you they speak evil of father and mother;
and behave unjustly toward the resident alien. Within you they oppress
the orphan, and within you the widow."

Ezekiel is in the Bible, therefore those aliens are in the Bible, and
therefore, according to the subject line, we are talking about those
aliens.
--
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tesla sTinker
2023-08-20 20:55:30 UTC
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Angels (sons of God) don't need to reproduce.
These were humanoid. Their craft were made of metal and emitted fire and
bright lights. They were extraterrestrials.
Genesis 6
2 the sons of God saw that the daughters of humans were beautiful, and they
married any of them they chose.
4 The Nephilim were on the earth in those days—and also afterward—when the
sons of God went to the daughters of humans and had children by them.
Ezekiel 1
4 I looked, and I saw a windstorm coming out of the north—an immense cloud
with flashing lightning and surrounded by brilliant light. The center of the
fire looked like glowing metal,
5 and in the fire was what looked like four living creatures. In appearance
their form was human,
7 Their legs were straight; their feet were like those of a calf and gleamed
like burnished bronze.
22 Spread out above the heads of the living creatures was what looked
something like a vault, sparkling like crystal, and awesome.
26 Above the vault over their heads was what looked like a throne of lapis
lazuli, and high above on the throne was a figure like that of a man.
27 I saw that from what appeared to be his waist up he looked like glowing
metal, as if full of fire, and that from there down he looked like fire; and
brilliant light surrounded him.
Isaiah 13
5 They come from faraway lands, from the ends of the heavens— the LORD and
the weapons of his wrath— to destroy the whole country.
Isaias 13,5 is in reference to the desolation of Babylon. Its not
about space ships.

And, Ezechiel (strength of God) is about visions of God that he had.
I gather it is simular to Daniel and Jeremias prophecy, but is on such a
scale of being very intelligent, that most cannot understand. Ezechiel
prophesied in Babylon same as Jeremias. speaks also about
Whirlwind, not windstorm, and Whirlwind is known to be a tornado.
When I read the chapter, it seems as if its speaking about a army, but
since its more than one vision, I have to preclude it is about the Force
of the North, against the world. It speaks of four faces, and four
wings, and since its speaking like this, its talking about the grid
system we have in place on the globe, my best understanding of it,
for in the grid system is four sections, and each section uses the same
location means. When it says its full of eyes, it reminds me of google
earth, for you can go anywhere and see. by its grid system. It also
states its lightning fast, which is the computer no doubt. The amber
light, is likely the light of the nato nations. SAD to say, because
today, i certainly do not like them, or the United Nations
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